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Bioenergy Archive for January 2001
74 messages, last added Tue Oct 22 18:31:41 2002

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Re: California power pricing



Kevin,
    Ms. Fazio and myself share the views of the majority of the American citizens.  There are already over 100 co-sponsors in the House of Representives to end commercial logging on public lands.  It is inevitable that ECL will prevail and the bioenergy industry needs to keep that in mind when planning new projects or they will quickly find themselves in the same situation as the Honey Creek project.
    A huge portion of the population finds it extremist (ex-steam-ist) to insist that all old growth should be liquidated, that all lands should be pillaged for profit.  Thus far there has been no compromise on the part of industrial interests.  They only want it all, as cheap as possible, and as soon as possible.  We seek compromise.  With only 3% of the original forest of this country intact and only 10% of the lands in the US in public holdings for all societal benefits, it would be a sensible, cautious idea to keep those lands as a genetic library to help with recovery once our hundred year experiment of industrial forestry shows it's failures in sustainability.  Simplified forests and plantations are highly susceptable to disease and pestilence.  Having part of the genetic library intact on the small percentage of public lands is a moral imperative, is a compromise, is common sense and is inevitable.
    Again, technical discussions in the vaccuum without facing the realities of negative environmental impacts and social attitudes, will lead to numeroius problems for this industry.  Greenscamming will be exposed and the industry will suffer if too many attempt to lie to the public.  I assumed that this was a "sustainable" energy movement as it is presented on the CREST website.  Please advise me if sustainability is no longer the primary consideration.  Are profit and perception the primary goals, rather than actual sustainabilty?   If you all will admit it, then I will quit wasting so much of your time or mine.  Most sincerely,  Denny Haldeman
 

Kevin Chisholm wrote:

 Dear DennyMs Fazio's views are extremist and closed minded....she has one agenda. I happen to hold differing views. Why is she right, and why am I wrong??? Why do you not consider that perhaps there are other valid views? How can there be discussion on Bioenergy when ppl have fixed and closed positions? Ms. Fazio is certainly not interested in an open minded discussion. It does not appear that you are either. If this is the case, then the thread is futile. Hence, my suggestion that we get back to more technical issues where there is at least some potential for discussion and progress.Kevin Chisholm
-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Haldeman [mailto:denny@voyageronline.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:08 PM
To: Kevin Chisholm
Cc: kdavies@igc.org; Talgo, Arnie; 'Albrecht Kaupp'; Mbobker@aol.com; Sensiblesteam@aol.com; bioenergy@crest.org; eta@kaupp.net
Subject: Re: California power pricing
 
I am so sorry for thinking that consuming public forests for energy against the wishes of the majority of American citizens was  an issue.  I am more sorry that you and your ilk do not think it is either.  I thought this bioenergy discussion on CREST was for sustainable energy.  Denny

Kevin Chisholm wrote:

Dear DennyI don't know who Ms. Fazio is, and she probably doesn't know who I am either. I would like to go on record as saying that I am not against the use of biomass energy, and I am not in favor of Ending Commercial Logging, no matter what rhetoric or excuses she manufactures.Now... can we get back to the technical matters and issues?Kevin Chisholm, MD, DD, LLD, DMN
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-bioenergy@crest.org [mailto:owner-bioenergy@crest.org]On Behalf Of Denny Haldeman
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:49 PM
To: kdavies@igc.org
Cc: Talgo, Arnie; 'Albrecht Kaupp'; Mbobker@aol.com; Sensiblesteam@aol.com; bioenergy@crest.org; eta@kaupp.net
Subject: Re: California power pricing
Sorry I let this linger..I just refound it back in the email bag.  RACHEL FAZIO, wishes for it to be known that she did not say anything close to the following statement, she is pro ECL (End Commercial Logging) on all public forests, and the reporter took things out of context for his predisposed leanings on what he wanted his story to say.  She is opposed to using forests for biomass energy, no matter the rhetoric or excuses manufactured.   Denny