GAS-L: Juntos pictures, Bioenergy lists together

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 Hi Paul, Stovers, Biofulers,
       I just upgraded a little (AOL 7.0+ 80Mb Ram) and now can open more 
attachments instead of just looking at words and trying to picture things. 
       The first attachment I opened was Paul's Juntos stove pictures and I 
saw what looked like some version of the preheat stove base idea I submitted. 
 That was a thrill. I like the idea of a stove that meshes a lot of ideas 
allowing the concepts to merge. A simpler idea is bound to precipitate out. 
       I would like to thank all stovers who have been supportive of my 
discussion strings lately.  Kevin, Crispin, Tom R. Paul A, and all others who 
have written in.  
       When you think about it, this BIOFUELS group has more power in the 
world of ideas than we realize.  The energy biz controls all other businesses 
in a way.  Being at the cutting edge of modern energy research we have more 
respect than we often realize with other professions as far as the 
consideration of new concepts.  No one is going to acknowledge that they 
respect what a bunch of pyromaniacs have to say, but they sure remember the 
results of what we have said. 
       I wonder how many oil, coal, and nuke company people lurk on these 
lists just waiting for ideas to apply to their situations.  It is only fair 
because we use their ideas too.  We need to use this to our advantage by 
debating general politics of energy, invention and innovation, and uses 
thereof. 
        I will suggest anybody wanting to, write me on "BIOENERGY" list where 
this conversation should be, unless it is particularly a stoves or charcoal 
issue.  That list is often underused, while stoves can sometimes be overused. 

        Ken Boak enjoys the even broader talk of alternatives, Sterling 
motors, Babbington burners and politics on wastewatts list.  John Archibald 
and others like myself are on many lists. Sometimes a real good topic is 
dropped because it doesn't fit into a list and it should just be politely 
switched over to it's proper home. 
       All persons interested in the broader issues should be on both or many 
of the lists.  You can always delete what you are not interested in.  I cross 
post many new topics to see where the interest is, but often find the most 
response from stoves even on non stoves issues.  This shows where the party 
is lately.  I feel out of place sometimes.  Sometimes Ron L. seems to as 
well.  It is to his credit for attracting so many good people to stoves.  
        Tom R. would probably be just as happy to address those technical 
chemistry issues with all of the chemists & engineers on "Gasification" as 
well and not bore the simple wood stove guys. He & other moderators know to 
cross post what stovers want to hear.  A simple entry post allowing persons 
to see what related topics will be, or are  being discussed on another list 
would help us tune in.  
       This classification of topics would help the archive people as well. 
        A lot of good people drop lists because the topics are not what the 
lists are about.  There is a home for all of us and anybody that has a list 
for other fringe related topics could make a simple statement inviting 
specialists there. 
       I will address RETORT char on Gasification now, as it is seldom really 
a stove issue. We do produce gas in retorts, don't we?  This is technical 
science.  Can Karve, Kevin, C. Tom T. and all other charcoal chemists follow 
me there? 
       Open pyrolisis & charcoal producing stoves, will remain on stoves. 
       Patents and related general issues on bioenergy and wastewatts. 
       Does this make sense to all?  Finish this discussion on stoves, then 
I'll try to see you wherever we belong. 
       Thanks again, 
                            Daniel Dimiduk 
       

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