Re: Juntos pictures, Bioenergy lists together

["Paul S. Anderson" <psanders@ilstu.edu>]

Daniel and all,

At 02:37 PM 1/20/02 -0500, Carefreeland@aol.com wrote:
>  Hi Paul, Stovers, Biofulers,
>        I just upgraded a little (AOL 7.0+ 80Mb Ram) and now can open more
>attachments instead of just looking at words and trying to picture things.
>        The first attachment I opened was Paul's Juntos stove pictures and I
>saw what looked like some version of the preheat stove base idea I submitted.

Daniel, Please send to me (us) the info on your stove that you mention.  I 
am not sure if the Juntos stove is like your posting, but it well could be.

About the use of other "list serves", I prefer to have the wide-range of 
messages on stoves and have experts ( like Tom R. for gasification) do the 
interface with those other lists.

Paul
>  That was a thrill. I like the idea of a stove that meshes a lot of ideas
>allowing the concepts to merge. A simpler idea is bound to precipitate out.
>        I would like to thank all stovers who have been supportive of my
>discussion strings lately.  Kevin, Crispin, Tom R. Paul A, and all others who
>have written in.
>        When you think about it, this BIOFUELS group has more power in the
>world of ideas than we realize.  The energy biz controls all other businesses
>in a way.  Being at the cutting edge of modern energy research we have more
>respect than we often realize with other professions as far as the
>consideration of new concepts.  No one is going to acknowledge that they
>respect what a bunch of pyromaniacs have to say, but they sure remember the
>results of what we have said.
>        I wonder how many oil, coal, and nuke company people lurk on these
>lists just waiting for ideas to apply to their situations.  It is only fair
>because we use their ideas too.  We need to use this to our advantage by
>debating general politics of energy, invention and innovation, and uses
>thereof.
>         I will suggest anybody wanting to, write me on "BIOENERGY" list 
> where
>this conversation should be, unless it is particularly a stoves or charcoal
>issue.  That list is often underused, while stoves can sometimes be overused.
>
>         Ken Boak enjoys the even broader talk of alternatives, Sterling
>motors, Babbington burners and politics on wastewatts list.  John Archibald
>and others like myself are on many lists. Sometimes a real good topic is
>dropped because it doesn't fit into a list and it should just be politely
>switched over to it's proper home.
>        All persons interested in the broader issues should be on both or 
> many
>of the lists.  You can always delete what you are not interested in.  I cross
>post many new topics to see where the interest is, but often find the most
>response from stoves even on non stoves issues.  This shows where the party
>is lately.  I feel out of place sometimes.  Sometimes Ron L. seems to as
>well.  It is to his credit for attracting so many good people to stoves.
>         Tom R. would probably be just as happy to address those technical
>chemistry issues with all of the chemists & engineers on "Gasification" as
>well and not bore the simple wood stove guys. He & other moderators know to
>cross post what stovers want to hear.  A simple entry post allowing persons
>to see what related topics will be, or are  being discussed on another list
>would help us tune in.
>        This classification of topics would help the archive people as well.
>         A lot of good people drop lists because the topics are not what the
>lists are about.  There is a home for all of us and anybody that has a list
>for other fringe related topics could make a simple statement inviting
>specialists there.
>        I will address RETORT char on Gasification now, as it is seldom 
> really
>a stove issue. We do produce gas in retorts, don't we?  This is technical
>science.  Can Karve, Kevin, C. Tom T. and all other charcoal chemists follow
>me there?
>        Open pyrolisis & charcoal producing stoves, will remain on stoves.
>        Patents and related general issues on bioenergy and wastewatts.
>        Does this make sense to all?  Finish this discussion on stoves, then
>I'll try to see you wherever we belong.
>        Thanks again,
>                             Daniel Dimiduk
>

Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D.,  Fulbright Prof. to Mozambique 8/99 - 7/00
Dept of Geography - Geology (Box 4400), Illinois State University
Normal, IL  61790-4400   Voice:  309-438-7360;  FAX:  309-438-5310
E-mail: psanders@ilstu.edu - Internet items: www.ilstu.edu/~psanders


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