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Ev Archive for December 1998
1060 messages, last added Wed Aug 08 18:43:52 2001

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Re: Over-unity flames (was: Wind Generators on the Roof again)



> 
> Bill Dube' wrote:
> >
> >     It's a matter of just being tired of hearing the same crap over and
> > over. For whatever reason, when you own an EV, the over-unity nut cases
> > hound you like a Jehovah's witness with an Amway franchise. These folks
> > don't understand the physics, and refuse to listen when you try to politely
> > explain the physics, yet insist that they have a wonderful new idea. EVers
> > are just out of patience in this area.
> >
> >     The "windmill on the roof" is just a variation of the "alternator on the
> > wheel." These scemes don't work. If they did, folks would have done it long
> > ago on the Baker Electric at the turn of the century. The energy to push the
> > car along must come from somewhere. Running the energy back and forth
> > between different forms doesn't increase the amount of energy you have.
> >
> >     Why the unititiated believe in the "windmill on the roof" is that there
> > are enough steps in the process. The more steps there are, the greater the
> > likelyhood that the person won't understand one or more of the steps. Thus,
> > complicated "free energy" systems are an easier sell than simple ones. You
> > wouldn't believe that putting big wheels on the back of the car and small
> > wheels on the front would make the car go forever because it was "rolling
> > downhill" all the time. The reason you wouldn't is that there aren't enough
> > steps in the process. The "windmill on the roof" idea is just as silly as
> > the "big wheels" idea, but it has more steps in the process.
> >
> >     When you hear these scemes, ask yourself, "Where, exactly, does the
> > extra energy come from?" If you answer this question with "It comes from the
> > generator." ask yourself, "Where did the generator get it's energy from?"
> > and so on.
> >
> >
> >              _   /|
> >              \'o.O'              Bill Dube'
> >            =(___)=           bdube@boulder.nist.gov
> >               U
>     THANK YOU, Bill;
> 
>    Good post, asya said, the "somthin' for nothin'" crowd swarms over
> the EV folks, like you said!
> 
>    Wenya get your EV going, wait and see! Unreal!!
> 
>    Electrically.....within the laws of physics

     Bob