Re: NO Hydrogen, Fuel Cell POSTs, Follow the EV List Charter.

[George Allen <gallen@c-zone.net>]

Hi All
I am with Bob on this subject. The Free flow of thought is best.
George Allen 
Redding,CA

Bob Wing wrote:
> 
> ALERT.  If you think hydrogen batteries (fuel cells) belong on the EVL
> please post a msg on EVL saying so for all subscribers and the list editor
> to read.
> 
> Lee Hart said:
> 
> >Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
> >> NO Hydrogen, Fuel Cell POSTs, Follow the EV List Charter...
> >> The EV List users made it clear that they do not want hydrogen or fuel
> >> cell POSTs, and to minimize hybrid POSTs.
> >
> >Perhaps we need to rethink this. I know that Bruce is doing this as a
> >volunteer, and has a great many things to do already. He's done a great
> >job with the resources he has available. But it does seem that the
> >censoring of the EV list has been uneven and heavy-handed at times. I
> >know of a few EV list members that have felt insulted and alienated.
> >
> >I suggest that the warnings need to be more polite and diplomatic.
> >Judgement is also required to decide what is relevant to the EV list.
> >For example, the auto company's new hybrids (Honda Insight, Toyota
> >Prius) aren't actually EVs. Discussing them violates the EV list
> >charter. Yet they do contain a lot of EV-relevant technology. Discussion
> >of *these* aspects is worthwhile.
> >
> >The same with hydrogen, or fuel cells, or PV arrays. If they are used to
> >power an EV, then they are relevant. As long as the discussions focus on
> >their usage in an EV, I'd say keep them.
> 
> (skip)
> 
> >Finally, the subject line is vitally important! Please use good subject
> >titles. We all have Delete keys. You don't have to read everything! If
> >you think certain topics are a waste of time, or certain posters are
> >jerks, just delete 'em and move on.
> >--
> 
> I agree with Lee Hart and I am sure others do also.  We need to ask Editor
> Parmenter to do another straw poll and show more regard for the facts of
> hydrogen batteries and explain to the newbies and others that this is the
> cleanest battery for all pure EV drives, hydrogen in, pure H20 (water) out,
> for current to the electric motor driving the wheels.  It is easy to get
> negative votes but be fair about the subject of hydrogen batteries.  If EVL
> people don't want to read, use the delete key.  I do on over 80 % of the
> posts because of my time constraints.
> 
> My original post was simple, low bandwidth.  I like to follow Mark Hansen's
> style, short to the point, don't belabor it and sign of.
> 
> In case you have did not see it. . . .
> 
> Nice color rendition of the Ford EV frame fuel cell components in the May
> 2000 Atlantic Monthly inside front cover, a 2 page spread.
> 
> Ford expects to deliver its first FC passenger cars for testing in
> California later this year.  The FCs are labelled Ballard. Check it out.
> 
> I wonder if Ford will lease one to me.  I would trade in the Ranger EV for
> upgrade.
> 
> -----
> Now that did not take much band width did it?  It was on the subject of
> batteries for pure EVs also permitted the list guidelines.
> 
> I believe that by 2004 many pure EVs will be running on lithium polymer or
> hydrogen (also know as fuel cells, no combustion, no pollutants, no oil or
> gas fumes, light weight).  Which one wins out probabaly will depend on the
> replacement costs and range before recharge.
> 
> ALERT.  If you think hydrogen batteries belong on the EVL please post a msg
> saying so for all subscribers to read.
> 
> Exerps from a personal msg from Bruce Meland, publisher of Electrifying
> Times to Bob Wing
> 
> --------
> 
> Ford had the P2000 Direct Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car at Atlanta and I got some
> shots under the hood and in the trunk where the fiberglasswrapped  al tank
> was located. Note this;  spec Fuel capacity 3.1 lbs gasous hydrogen Range
> 100 miles. It was in Europe early fall and the prime minister of Germany
> Gerhard Schroeder(sp) drove it around-- a big promo deal as Ford is playing
> catchup with Honda and Toyota with their hybrids and it is important that
> maintain the high profile pr wise while they get the ESCAPE SUV on the road.
> 
> We will do a story on the details--specs on P 2000 as well as the Ford
> ESCAPE Hybrid, Fiat Multipa hybrid, GM hydrogen car= the Opel Zafira,
> Daimler Chrysler ESX3 72 mpg hybrid, Freightliner Hybrid big 8000 cc Diesel
> Truck Hybrid, Nissan Tino Hybrid, Chrysler Durango SUV hybrid. The
> Mitsubishi Hybrid technology was perhaps bought out by GM (I think) as they
> need a boost real bad and they are really trying to play catchup, will try
> to do a story on this interesting development also.
> 
> Bruce Meland Editor in Chief Electrifying Times. www.electrifyingtimes.com.
> 
> PS, We here in Oregon expect to have two lead-acid Rangers coming
> and at least 6 months behind schedule because of Delphi dumping the 8
> volts in Fords lap and Ford had to go to East Penn to get the line going
> again. The Panasonic NiMH  I understand are doing well in the electric
> Ranger in California as Ford like Toyota and Honda gets extra CARB Credits
> for using NiMH there.    Bruce
> 
> -------
> 
> ALERT.  If you think hydrogen batteries (fuel cells) belong on the EVL
> please post a msg on EVL saying so for all subscribers and the list editor
> to read.
> 
> This may be my last post as Bruce sent me three warning messages two days
> ago that he will remove me from EVL for posting on this subject which I
> believe is directly and within most EVL subscribers view of the purpose of
> EV List.
> 
> -30-
> 
> Bob Wing
> 
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