Re: Toyota Prius 2001 volume, are Peugot and Citroen coming here?

["Eric Chang" <ericchang@my-deja.com>]

Somebody asked a while ago about the status of EV's in Europe.  This
post gives part of the answer.

>From: "philippe Borges" <philippe.borges@freesbee.fr>
>To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: Toyota Prius 2001 volume, are Peugot and Citroen coming here?
>Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:26:18 +0200
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>
>More exactly, the law don't say : "stupid french people you are not
>authorized converting an ICE car to electric it's too dangerous for you",
>But it's the same result, because we have an administration which
>job is giving the licence for the new or modified cars (same thing in US i
>think) the problem is they take the decision yes or no without explaining
>why ! there is no text rules you can follow to succed the on-road
>homologation and it's more true for EV conversion.
>
>In france people who is not garage mechanics are sure it will cost him a
>fortune for nothing: they will say no, if you are: you have a chance but
>just a little,
>and if you are Peugeot there is no problem you can
>make a dangerous car it's ok !
>I'm just trying to explain than here law are very very very constraining
>about all home-made cars, for exemple a friend inventor have made an hybrid
>with a fiat "panda" 4x4, this car cost him 200000F and he can't licence it
>for road use.
>He speak about his car (who works great on 48V), at peugeot, renault, fiat
>and others in europe nobody are interested.
>industrial lobby......
>In resume, there are the possibility
>
>i convert an ICE car for on-road use, i pay 200F /month at a garage
>mechanics to have a special licence plate but the time is limited to few
>months.
>
>if i want to have my licence i have to made 3 or 4 cars and give them for
>crash and other test, and i must pay a lot for this test, and can't be sure
>of the decision.
>
>I'm out of law, but in case of control outch !!!i lose car, driving licence
>and lot of money !
>Lee according to what you say, i'm trying to find an astute to follow the
>legal way...
>
>To end with the longer post i made(sorry) you have to know that when you
>heard : france have a lot of EV on road :it's companies and administrations,
>people don't buy 106 electric or others !
>
>Philippe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lee Hart <leeahart@earthlink.net>
>To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
>Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Toyota Prius 2001 volume, are Peugot and Citroen coming here?
>
>
>> philippe Borges wrote:
>> > Here in france it is impossible for people to convert (legaly) an ICE
>> > car to electric for on-road use...
>>
>> <snipped some VERY interesting stuff on the French EVs>
>>
>> A question. What exactly does the law say that prevents one to convert
>> an ICE car to electric? Very often, one can play lawyer and find a way
>> to satisfy the letter of the law, if not its intent. (Children are very
>> good at this :-)
>> --
>> Lee A. Hart                Ring the bells that still can ring
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>>




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