RE: Solar Power & Edit Your Messages Please.

["Travis Raybold" <travis@raybold.com>]

it means we pay the reasonable price for electricity, rather than ignoring
its environmental impacts. fine with me, ill conserve more, so will others,
and we will have a cleaner mix of electricity generation.

	--travis

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ev@listproc.sjsu.edu [mailto:owner-ev@listproc.sjsu.edu]On
Behalf Of Troy Heagy
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:01 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Solar Power & Edit Your Messages Please.


>"Travis Raybold" <travis@raybold.com>
>
>>>And the gov't subsidy: Where does that money come from?  YOU.  So, you're
>>>paying for it anyway! (albeit indirectly)
>
>govt subsidy should come from higher taxes on coal fired power, help
>equalize out the cost of renewable and fossil fuel energy.


Which causes higher electric prices... which means YOU still pay for the
subsidy.






>yep, wind power does have a better price point right now. if you have a few
>acres of land and some good wind around you, go for it! im trying to get my
>sister set up with a wind turbine in her land in buffalo, ny.


Where does one go to buy a wind turbine?  (Like a Whisper 3000?)

My neighbors (Amish Americans) have been using wind power for decades.  I
envy their ability to be almost totally self-sufficient from industry &
government.



Where can I buy solar shingles?

Troy

P.S.  May I humbly request that people EDIT their replies.  THIS.....


From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <bassoon@jps.net>
----- Original Message -----

>John, you sure do assume a lot in your flame!  I'm not
>going to go back and forth with you.  You know nothing
>about what happened, even Rich doesn't seem to remember
>it.  I respect you for your support of your friend as
>well as all the others who have risen to his defense!
>You are right, I don't remember ever seeing anything
>posted on this board that was negative about Rich,
>that's why I bought the Regs to begin with! Again, my
>apologies to you and to those who have enjoyed a great
>relationship with Rich!
>
>Ralph Goodwin
>evracer@ipass.net
>
>
>
>
>Quoting John Wayland <dat1200@europa.com>:
>
> > Hello to All,
> >
> > evracer@ipass.net wrote:
> >
> > > No, John, I won't flame you.  I have no reason to.
> > > I've never bought anything from.  All you have done
>is
> > > taken a stance in support of your friend who has
>helped
> > > you and others for a number of years.  That
>certainly
> > > doesn't justify me attacking you.
> >
> >    Whew!!!
> >
> > > The thing that I ask you to recognize is that while
>you
> > > don't have a issue with Rich, I did.  He sold me a
> > > product that we were not able to get to work and he
> > > didn't seems to care.  I spent hard earned money and
> > > got nothing for it.
> >
> >     Again, if you had trouble getting in touch with
>Rich, perhaps it was
> > largely due to
> > your lack of creativity in finding him at that
>particular moment in time,
> > where I believe
> > he said, he was on the road racing. All you had to
>do, was go to the EVDL
> > and post a
> > message that you needed to contact Rich
>Rudman....your 'in box' would have
> > been flooded
> > with email responses from all of us, most likely
>telling you exactly where
> > he was...did
> > you do this?
> > Secondly, if you were having Rudman Reg problems,
>with the great numbers of
> > us that have
> > used these wonderful devices (with great success),
>where were the emails
> > asking us for
> > help and advice? You say he didn't seem to
>care....based on what? Was he
> > seemingly 'not
> > caring' simply because you never talked with him? I
>could understand this
> > comment, if in
> > fact, you HAD talked with him and he HAD dissed you
>in some way, but as you
> > make me
> > understand it, this was not the case at all. To jump
>to the conclusion that
> > he 'didn't
> > care' simply because you had trouble getting in touch
>with him, points the
> > finger more at
> > you than he.
> >
> > > I don't think you would accept
> > > that, so why should you expect me to?
> >
> >     I don't expect anything of you, other than the
>common courtesy of not
> > publicly
> > trashing a person, especially when as it is revealed,
>there was no basis
> > for it. So you
> > had problems in not understanding how to use
>them....you're not the only
> > one. Most of us
> > though, don't blame the design or quality of the
>product, but instead, we
> > look at what WE
> > may have done wrong....in most every case when it
>comes to using the regs,
> > it's the
> > customer, not the product that was at fault....myself
>included. As you can
> > see from the
> > 100% positive responses so far, Rich has a very good
>standing with all of
> > us...are we all
> > wrong?
> >
> > > It was an issue
> > > that I tried to settle with him over a year ago
>when it
> > > happened.  Several other list subscribers who are
>more
> > > technically qualified than me also tried to resolve
>the
> > > issue by looking at the vehicle and tryinging to
> > > communicate with Rich, with no success.
> >
> >    Again, where were all of these emails to the list?
>Everyone who's into
> > EVs, knows this
> > list is THE place to find people, find information,
>find help...where were
> > your's and your
> > friends' emails to this effect? If, as I suspect,
>there were none, than
> > blame yourselves,
> > not Rich.
> >
> > > I was left with a product that did not work.....
> >
> >     I think that in fact, you did something wrong in
>the way you used and
> > expected the
> > regs to work, I don't for one minute, think that all
>of the regs were
> > somehow
> > defective....no way, that's not like Rich to sent out
>such a product.
> >
> > >.....and Rich either couldn't or wouldn't help
>resolve the issue.
> >
> >     Again, no way Rich 'couldn't' and again, no way
>he 'wouldn't' want to
> > help, it's just
> > not in his makeup.
> >
> > > I didn't take it to the board then ......
> >
> >    Well, you should have! Had you done so, you would
>have had all the help
> > and concern
> > that we more seasoned EVers always offer. We would
>have also found Rich and
> > had him get in
> > touch with you. Can you see now, that this was a poor
>decision?
> >
> > > .....and I didn't realize that all this was going
>to happen when I
> > responded to the
> > > original request that prompted my response.
> >
> >    Another poor decision on your part, I guess. It's
>safe to say, that
> > you've NEVER seen a
> > negative assessment of Rich and his products on this
>forum. What you have
> > seen, is
> > hundreds of posts about Rich and his products that
>are helpful and
> > informative. Oh yes, we
> > all have our fun bashing him and arguing with him,
>but this is all in the
> > name of
> > friendship and lively competition.
> >
> > > The request was for experiences with this type
>product.
> > > Thats all I described.
> >
> >     No, it was not all you described. You made it
>sound very negative, and
> > your attitude
> > was vengeful, at best:
> >
> > >I wish I could say nice things about Rich's products,
> > >but unfortunately I can't!
> >
> >   Why was this statement even included?
> >
> > >Even worse than the  products was the support, or
>lack of support, that
> > went
> > >along with the product.
> >
> >       No clear description of what was wrong with the
>products (if
> > anything), and as you
> > have already stated, you couldn't get in touch with
>him, so there was no
> > basis for saying
> > 'lack of support'.
> >
> > >After all was said and done, I  spend about $300 for
>some pretty nifty
> > looking little
> > >circuit boards.
> >
> >      It's funny, how those 'nifty looking little
>circuit boards' work so
> > well for all the
> > rest of us!
> >
> > > Are we suppose to only post the
> > > good experiences with products and vendors and not
>post
> > > the bad for fear of raising the anger of their
>friends
> > > and satisfied customers?
> >
> >     Of course not, but there are ways of saying
>things without sounding as
> > mean spirited
> > as you did. How about telling the truth? Why not
>say, "I purchased a set of
> > the regs, but
> > had trouble with them, most likely, due to the way
>and manner I used them.
> > How about
> > saying that Rich was hard to get in touch with, most
>likely because he was
> > on the road
> > racing and field testing his products?....Oh I almost
>forgot, you couldn't
> > say these
> > things, because of your lack of effort in trying to
>find him via the EVDL
> > forum.
> >
> > > ....if Rick had offered me my money
> > > back a year ago, like he did yesterday, or put forth
> > > some kind of effort to help us get things operating,
> > > none of this would have happened.  Instead of
>feeling
> > > like I had been taken advantage of, I would have
>felt
> > > like he was serious about standing behind his
>product
> > > and offering support.
> >
> >      So, let's see....you most likely destroyed all
>or most of the regs
> > from over current
> > from an external source, such as a charger that held
>too high of a finish
> > charge, and now
> > Rich (not Rick) is offering to pay you back for the
>damage you
> > caused?....and you think
> > this is OK?
> >
> > >I don't know him personally.  I just know he got
>some of my dollars and I
> > got some >of
> > his Regs that won't work.
> >
> >    Too bad you don't know him, you're missing out. As
>far as getting regs
> > that didn't
> > work, I find that hard to believe if they were in
>fact, new ones you
> > ordered from him. My
> > guess is that they all worked as designed, and that
>it was you and the help
> > you had that
> > caused the problem, and now you want Rich to eat the
>losses.
> >
> > See Ya........John Wayland
> >
>


.....IS RIDICULOUS!  Please trim out the crap.  Thank you.





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