Re: Solar Power & Edit Your Messages Please.

[william glickman <billglic@juno.com>]

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:00:57 -0500 "Troy Heagy" <troyheagy@hotmail.com>
writes:
> >"Travis Raybold" <travis@raybold.com>
> >
> >>>And the gov't subsidy: Where does that money come from?  YOU.  
> So, you're
> >>>paying for it anyway! (albeit indirectly)
> >
> >govt subsidy should come from higher taxes on coal fired power, 
> help
> >equalize out the cost of renewable and fossil fuel energy.
> 
> 
> Which causes higher electric prices... which means YOU still pay for 
> the 
> subsidy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >yep, wind power does have a better price point right now. if you 
> have a few
> >acres of land and some good wind around you, go for it! im trying 
> to get my
> >sister set up with a wind turbine in her land in buffalo, ny.
> 
> 
> Where does one go to buy a wind turbine?  (Like a Whisper 3000?)
> 
> My neighbors (Amish Americans) have been using wind power for 
> decades.  I 
> envy their ability to be almost totally self-sufficient from 
> industry & 
> government.
> 
> 
> 
> Where can I buy solar shingles?
> 
> Troy
> 
> P.S.  May I humbly request that people EDIT their replies.  
> THIS.....
> 
> 
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <bassoon@jps.net>
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> >John, you sure do assume a lot in your flame!  I'm not
> >going to go back and forth with you.  You know nothing
> >about what happened, even Rich doesn't seem to remember
> >it.  I respect you for your support of your friend as
> >well as all the others who have risen to his defense!
> >You are right, I don't remember ever seeing anything
> >posted on this board that was negative about Rich,
> >that's why I bought the Regs to begin with! Again, my
> >apologies to you and to those who have enjoyed a great
> >relationship with Rich!
> >
> >Ralph Goodwin
> >evracer@ipass.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting John Wayland <dat1200@europa.com>:
> >
> > > Hello to All,
> > >
> > > evracer@ipass.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, John, I won't flame you.  I have no reason to.
> > > > I've never bought anything from.  All you have done
> >is
> > > > taken a stance in support of your friend who has
> >helped
> > > > you and others for a number of years.  That
> >certainly
> > > > doesn't justify me attacking you.
> > >
> > >    Whew!!!
> > >
> > > > The thing that I ask you to recognize is that while
> >you
> > > > don't have a issue with Rich, I did.  He sold me a
> > > > product that we were not able to get to work and he
> > > > didn't seems to care.  I spent hard earned money and
> > > > got nothing for it.
> > >
> > >     Again, if you had trouble getting in touch with
> >Rich, perhaps it was
> > > largely due to
> > > your lack of creativity in finding him at that
> >particular moment in time,
> > > where I believe
> > > he said, he was on the road racing. All you had to
> >do, was go to the EVDL
> > > and post a
> > > message that you needed to contact Rich
> >Rudman....your 'in box' would have
> > > been flooded
> > > with email responses from all of us, most likely
> >telling you exactly where
> > > he was...did
> > > you do this?
> > > Secondly, if you were having Rudman Reg problems,
> >with the great numbers of
> > > us that have
> > > used these wonderful devices (with great success),
> >where were the emails
> > > asking us for
> > > help and advice? You say he didn't seem to
> >care....based on what? Was he
> > > seemingly 'not
> > > caring' simply because you never talked with him? I
> >could understand this
> > > comment, if in
> > > fact, you HAD talked with him and he HAD dissed you
> >in some way, but as you
> > > make me
> > > understand it, this was not the case at all. To jump
> >to the conclusion that
> > > he 'didn't
> > > care' simply because you had trouble getting in touch
> >with him, points the
> > > finger more at
> > > you than he.
> > >
> > > > I don't think you would accept
> > > > that, so why should you expect me to?
> > >
> > >     I don't expect anything of you, other than the
> >common courtesy of not
> > > publicly
> > > trashing a person, especially when as it is revealed,
> >there was no basis
> > > for it. So you
> > > had problems in not understanding how to use
> >them....you're not the only
> > > one. Most of us
> > > though, don't blame the design or quality of the
> >product, but instead, we
> > > look at what WE
> > > may have done wrong....in most every case when it
> >comes to using the regs,
> > > it's the
> > > customer, not the product that was at fault....myself
> >included. As you can
> > > see from the
> > > 100% positive responses so far, Rich has a very good
> >standing with all of
> > > us...are we all
> > > wrong?
> > >
> > > > It was an issue
> > > > that I tried to settle with him over a year ago
> >when it
> > > > happened.  Several other list subscribers who are
> >more
> > > > technically qualified than me also tried to resolve
> >the
> > > > issue by looking at the vehicle and tryinging to
> > > > communicate with Rich, with no success.
> > >
> > >    Again, where were all of these emails to the list?
> >Everyone who's into
> > > EVs, knows this
> > > list is THE place to find people, find information,
> >find help...where were
> > > your's and your
> > > friends' emails to this effect? If, as I suspect,
> >there were none, than
> > > blame yourselves,
> > > not Rich.
> > >
> > > > I was left with a product that did not work.....
> > >
> > >     I think that in fact, you did something wrong in
> >the way you used and
> > > expected the
> > > regs to work, I don't for one minute, think that all
> >of the regs were
> > > somehow
> > > defective....no way, that's not like Rich to sent out
> >such a product.
> > >
> > > >.....and Rich either couldn't or wouldn't help
> >resolve the issue.
> > >
> > >     Again, no way Rich 'couldn't' and again, no way
> >he 'wouldn't' want to
> > > help, it's just
> > > not in his makeup.
> > >
> > > > I didn't take it to the board then ......
> > >
> > >    Well, you should have! Had you done so, you would
> >have had all the help
> > > and concern
> > > that we more seasoned EVers always offer. We would
> >have also found Rich and
> > > had him get in
> > > touch with you. Can you see now, that this was a poor
> >decision?
> > >
> > > > .....and I didn't realize that all this was going
> >to happen when I
> > > responded to the
> > > > original request that prompted my response.
> > >
> > >    Another poor decision on your part, I guess. It's
> >safe to say, that
> > > you've NEVER seen a
> > > negative assessment of Rich and his products on this
> >forum. What you have
> > > seen, is
> > > hundreds of posts about Rich and his products that
> >are helpful and
> > > informative. Oh yes, we
> > > all have our fun bashing him and arguing with him,
> >but this is all in the
> > > name of
> > > friendship and lively competition.
> > >
> > > > The request was for experiences with this type
> >product.
> > > > Thats all I described.
> > >
> > >     No, it was not all you described. You made it
> >sound very negative, and
> > > your attitude
> > > was vengeful, at best:
> > >
> > > >I wish I could say nice things about Rich's products,
> > > >but unfortunately I can't!
> > >
> > >   Why was this statement even included?
> > >
> > > >Even worse than the  products was the support, or
> >lack of support, that
> > > went
> > > >along with the product.
> > >
> > >       No clear description of what was wrong with the
> >products (if
> > > anything), and as you
> > > have already stated, you couldn't get in touch with
> >him, so there was no
> > > basis for saying
> > > 'lack of support'.
> > >
> > > >After all was said and done, I  spend about $300 for
> >some pretty nifty
> > > looking little
> > > >circuit boards.
> > >
> > >      It's funny, how those 'nifty looking little
> >circuit boards' work so
> > > well for all the
> > > rest of us!
> > >
> > > > Are we suppose to only post the
> > > > good experiences with products and vendors and not
> >post
> > > > the bad for fear of raising the anger of their
> >friends
> > > > and satisfied customers?
> > >
> > >     Of course not, but there are ways of saying
> >things without sounding as
> > > mean spirited
> > > as you did. How about telling the truth? Why not
> >say, "I purchased a set of
> > > the regs, but
> > > had trouble with them, most likely, due to the way
> >and manner I used them.
> > > How about
> > > saying that Rich was hard to get in touch with, most
> >likely because he was
> > > on the road
> > > racing and field testing his products?....Oh I almost
> >forgot, you couldn't
> > > say these
> > > things, because of your lack of effort in trying to
> >find him via the EVDL
> > > forum.
> > >
> > > > ....if Rick had offered me my money
> > > > back a year ago, like he did yesterday, or put forth
> > > > some kind of effort to help us get things operating,
> > > > none of this would have happened.  Instead of
> >feeling
> > > > like I had been taken advantage of, I would have
> >felt
> > > > like he was serious about standing behind his
> >product
> > > > and offering support.
> > >
> > >      So, let's see....you most likely destroyed all
> >or most of the regs
> > > from over current
> > > from an external source, such as a charger that held
> >too high of a finish
> > > charge, and now
> > > Rich (not Rick) is offering to pay you back for the
> >damage you
> > > caused?....and you think
> > > this is OK?
> > >
> > > >I don't know him personally.  I just know he got
> >some of my dollars and I
> > > got some >of
> > > his Regs that won't work.
> > >
> > >    Too bad you don't know him, you're missing out. As
> >far as getting regs
> > > that didn't
> > > work, I find that hard to believe if they were in
> >fact, new ones you
> > > ordered from him. My
> > > guess is that they all worked as designed, and that
> >it was you and the help
> > > you had that
> > > caused the problem, and now you want Rich to eat the
> >losses.
> > >
> > > See Ya........John Wayland
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> .....IS RIDICULOUS!  Please trim out the crap.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
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