Re: Advanced Batteries

["Dave Davidson" <davetex99@hotmail.com>]

I am curious as to what advanced batteries are available at amy price (and 
the price, just for grins).  I looked at the Saft website and they also show 
NiMH and Li-ion batteries.  Are these available?  What about the Zebra 
battery?  It looks interesting from their website, but not a lot of details 
or options given.  Is it possible to buy an Ovionic or Panasonic NiMH 
battery?  It seems like I read of all this great research and how excellent 
new batteries work in vehicles, but I never see any of them actually offered 
for sale.  Even Saft doesn't list the larger batteries used in my TEVan.  
No, I didn't win the Powerball (maybe next time :^), I'm just interested.

Dave Davidson
Laurel, MD
1993 Dodge TEVan

>ssr@uswestmail.net writes:
> >
> > I finally found the SAFT web site, and I tried to send a message, but
> > I got a VB Script error (permission refused) when trying to submit it.
> > Do you have a price list for the Ni-Cd or Ni-MH batteries from SAFT?
> > If you don't maybe I can ask the whole list.

>Mark,
>
>Lou Magnarella is the SAFT Sales Manager for EV's in the USA.  His e-mail
>address is louis.magnarella@saftamerica.com.  His phone number in Georgia
>is 912-245-3015.  He'll be able to give you whatever information you need.
>
>Ralph
>
>
>
>  From : "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <roden@ald.net> To : 
>ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject :Re: Electric Vehicles List Date : Fri, 31 Aug 
>2001 13:09:51 -0400
>
>On 31 Aug 2001, at 6:27, Justduckyno1@aol.com wrote:
> > So what would likely be the price on NiCads?
>
>About $550 per kwh.  A typical 144v, 100ah pack (24 6-v modules) runs
>somewhere in the $8,000 - $8,500 range.  You also need a more
>sophisticated charger and a cooling system (fans or a liquid system
>depending on which module type).
>
>Cycle life helps to make up for the cost -- it is rated at 2,500 to >3,500
>cycles, around 4 to 7 times the life of lead batteries.
>
>They are also appreciably lighter for a given amount of energy storage --
>the best lead batteries yield around 36 wh/kg (watt-hours per kilogram),
>and the nicads are around 55 wh/kg.
>
>http://www.saft.alcatel.com/automotive/uk/datasheet/d2_2.htm
>
>These are made in France by Saft, just about the only company making EV-
>size nicads.  They are the only affordable alternative to lead that I
>know.  NiMH and Lithium cost several times as much.
>
>Nickel Zinc (Evercell) shows some promise.  It has slightly higher
>specific energy than nicad (they claim 60 wh/kg) and sells for slightly
>less ($500 per kwh; a 144v 100ah pack would be $7,200).  But at 600
>cycles they can't even approach nicads' cycle life, so the cost per mile
>is much higher.
>
>There are a few list members using Saft nicads, though some of us were
>able to get them used for somewhat less money.
>
>
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