OT: Re: Electrifying Times Way Out Science - Way Off Topic!

[Mike Thompson <mikt@pair.com>]

I met Bill Nye and Ed Begley at the CARB hearings in Diamond Bar, Southern
CA. Later, watching an episode of "Bill Nye, The Science Guy" about psuedo
science came a concept which I now use to evaluate seemingly outlandish
product / science claims.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

I think it's pretty sound logic. I now live by it.

For example an Extraordinary process could be decomposed and the inventors
could prove parts of it to gain credibility.

If they're so clever to come up with the invention, They should be clever
enough to invent a way to prove that it works to supporters and critics
like. If they can't, one must wonder how clever they really are, how
clever their invention is and how well they understand their own
invention.

If you can't explain something reasonably well to someone else, there's a
very good chance you don't understand it yourself. And the people who
invent these devices are presumably a bit more clever than your average
individual, so expecting them to explain it reasonably well is not an
unreasonable expectation.

The more you think about it:

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

The more it applies.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2001, John Bryan wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> 	As Bruce Meland is not on the List, he's asked that I post his
> response to recent comments made about the newest controversial issue
> of Electrifying Times.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> 	I have been covering the technology for 10 years and I don't
> publish unless verified by my insider network. Most people on the EV list
> are very linear just using old verified battery-motor technology to create
> their version of reality. It is called appropriate technology. The chief
> reason the technology has not surfaced yet is the active supression by the
> CIA-NWO combine. The Tesla Rods are capable of converting Neutrinos to
> electricity in a very powerful way. One inventor that discovered long lost
> Tesla Notes and built a unit has moved to the Phillipines to avoid

I'm not saying anything about the value of this fellow's discovery. As an
objective observation, one might move to the Phillipines to avoid the
CIA-NWO combine. Though I doubt that you'd really escpae the reach of the
CIA by doing so. You might also move there to make it _appear_ that you
are evading the CIA-NWO combine to lend creedence to your claims -
"I must have a great invention because everyone is chasing me - would you
like to invest?"
Or maybe the Phillipines provides an environment where there is less
expertise to provide informed independent confirmation / critique of the
claims. Maybe the investors there aren't so careful.

So I'm not really saying anything about the validity of this here. I'm
just saying that as the claims become more exotic that one needs to
continue to use critical thinking and even more critical thinking given
the nature of the claims, relative lack of verifiable evidence, etc.

The CIA may well be pursuing the inventors of red, blue and white LEDs to
protect the manufacturers of incandescent light bulbs.

> supression and has a funder to hopefully get the some version of technology
> out to the Public. In the meantime he is using his neutrino reciever as a
> transmitter. A neutrino transmitter to find burried Japanese and Marcos gold
> in that country. I can take the heat as I know the technology will surface
> soon and make you believers. I also know you EV Listers are very sincere but
> liminited in knowledge of what really going on out there. Some of the
> magnetic motor technology involves drawing electrons from the ground to give
> an apparent more energy out than input. (ie you can create a greater voltage
> drop in a generator by using the ground as the negative potential)  There are
> many tricks to the trade in this business. One inventor that has a PHD in EE
> but great hand on experience figured out how to tune a mosfet to 10 to the 38th
> power to access cosmic energy. Dr Frank Mead from Edwards AFB has a patent on
> this technology. Read page 3 of vol 8 no 3. You EV listers are just operating
> on a much lower level and that is why EV's with current technology will never
> gain worldwide acceptance.

Condescending, and saying that your audience doesn't understand because
they are operating on a lower level (dumber) than the inventor is sure to
win points and credibility! Of course, all Doctor's, Air Force Base
Personnel etc. are people with unimpeachable credibility.

The doctor's on TV selling diet plans are just making a buck like any
other marketing proffessional!

>
> Bruce Meland, editor
>
>

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