Re: GM's inductive EV death wedge

[Bob Bath <farfromsmoggen@yahoo.com>]

Bruce, everything that I read says that until the
petro-makers take out all sulfur from gasoline, you
won't see ANY petro-FCVs.  It trashes the PEM and
catalyst.
  That also doesn't address why Honda is teaming up
with a company that sells residential hydrogen fueling
systems.  (recent story) I find that issue quite
telling.
  I hate to be pessimistic, but IF there are any
successful terrorist hits, gas skyrockets-- Honda is
poised to make a bundle.

--- Bruce EVangel Parmenter <brucedp@yahoo.com> wrote:
> While there are those that prefer the inductive
> charger to 
> the conductive AVCON standard approved by CARB ...
> but,
> 
> IMHO:
> having two types of public chargers is a GM death
> wedge for
> EVs (divide and conquer).
> 
> I was hoping that with the CARB standard, and GM's
> nil EV
> effort, conductive charging would be totally
> embraced. This
> would make more public chargers possible as the
> installation
> cost would be halved (only one AVCON is now needed,
> not an
> AVCON 'and' a inductive).
> 
> But such is not that case. 
> Since Toyota has agreements with GM (in bed with
> them) and 
> uses the small paddle inductive on the only big 7 EV
> available, the RAV4 EV ... 
> the GM wedge is 'still' in place to let the newbie
> RAV4
> EV drivers demand gen3 small paddle inductive
> chargers be 
> installed in the public.
> 
> I have been approached about a spearhead to fund
> such
> installations. This is not a good idea, and bad for
> all EVs.
> But there is already some gen3 inductive in the
> public
> 
>
http://www.magnecharge.com/documents/SMALL_PADDLE.PDF
> This effort dilutes any effort to create an
> universal 
> EV charging infrastructure.
> 
> Inductive chargers are *ONLY* available for
> inductive
> charging EVs. The more affordable conductive EV
> charging
> is locked out. 
> 
> >From a public EV charging host's perspective,
> keeping 
> their installation costs down, and having the most
> use 
> of the money they spent to put EV charging in, is
> what 
> should be done.
> 
> To install inductive charging, displaces a
> conductive EV
> charger (much like the cuckoo chick that kicks the 
> resident chick out of the nest). This blocks access
> to
> power for all non-inductive charging EVs (ie: in
> Salinas
> their are two gen1 inductive chargers, and no
> conductive
> charging at all. A huge EV charging gap is now
> present
> because of this installation).
> 
> So why the big deal?
> Don't be fooled into thinking inductive EVs are
> going to be
> around forever. GM is down to recycling what EV1
> gen1s they
> have, and I foresee Toyota providing enough RAV4 EVs
> to 
> meet their quota. Then Toyota will stop just like
> what 
> Honda did with their EV plus line. BTW: Honda is
> using the
> EV plus platform for their oil fueled fcvs.
> 
> Inductive EVs are not going to stay.
> GM, Toyota, Nissan, and other inductive signers, are
> going
> to sell oil fueled fcvs. Do not think any automaker
> is 
> going to make grid rechargeable EVs when the oil
> fueled
> fcvs come out.
> 
> These oil fueled fcvs will be touted as EVs and all
> grid 
> rechargeable EVs will be referred to as the
> 'tin-lizzy-s' 
> of a by-gone era. These fcvs and EVs each have their
> niche,
> but the media will be the first to word the death of
> the 
> grid rechargeable EV.
> 
> Once this has happened, only EVs built by
> individuals and
> converters (like what we had before the big boys
> came in and
> faked us out). These EVs will use the more cost
> effective
> conductive EV charging. Getting any inductive
> chargers 
> changed out will be hard, as the public will view
> EVs as
> 'old' and not worth the effort.
> 
> The time to put in public conductive EV charging is
> now. The 
> conductive EV charging standard is universal.
> Inductive EV 
> drivers can easily adapt to AVCON with the available
> adapter.
> Let embrace conductive EV charging and work to help
> inductive
> EVs adapt.
> 
> Watt do you think?
> 
> 
> 
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