Re: GM's inductive EV death wedge

["Dave Davidson" <davetex99@hotmail.com>]

The problem I see is that it's not real easy to yank the box off the garage 
wall and put a Avcon connector on it for the average Joe.  What is needed is 
a simple box to take the place of the big charger and still meet the 
requirements of the inductive charger, possibly at a lower charge rate.  All 
the user needs to know is to plug the box into the Avcon connector and put 
in the paddle.

Unfortunately, without the demand, the box is not likely to get made.  If 
the automakers would start mass producing EVs, with whatever charging 
interface, a market of adapters would also develop.

As the automakers have refused to make EVs available to those of us on the 
east coast, this is all speculation anyway.

Dave Davidson
Laurel, Maryland
1993 Dodge TEVan


>From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter <brucedp@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>Subject: GM's inductive EV death wedge
>Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
>
>While there are those that prefer the inductive charger to
>the conductive AVCON standard approved by CARB ... but,
>
>IMHO:
>having two types of public chargers is a GM death wedge for
>EVs (divide and conquer).
>
>I was hoping that with the CARB standard, and GM's nil EV
>effort, conductive charging would be totally embraced. This
>would make more public chargers possible as the installation
>cost would be halved (only one AVCON is now needed, not an
>AVCON 'and' a inductive).
>
>But such is not that case.
>Since Toyota has agreements with GM (in bed with them) and
>uses the small paddle inductive on the only big 7 EV
>available, the RAV4 EV ...
>the GM wedge is 'still' in place to let the newbie RAV4
>EV drivers demand gen3 small paddle inductive chargers be
>installed in the public.
>
>I have been approached about a spearhead to fund such
>installations. This is not a good idea, and bad for all EVs.
>But there is already some gen3 inductive in the public
>  http://www.magnecharge.com/documents/SMALL_PADDLE.PDF
>This effort dilutes any effort to create an universal
>EV charging infrastructure.
>
>Inductive chargers are *ONLY* available for inductive
>charging EVs. The more affordable conductive EV charging
>is locked out.
>
> >From a public EV charging host's perspective, keeping
>their installation costs down, and having the most use
>of the money they spent to put EV charging in, is what
>should be done.
>
>To install inductive charging, displaces a conductive EV
>charger (much like the cuckoo chick that kicks the
>resident chick out of the nest). This blocks access to
>power for all non-inductive charging EVs (ie: in Salinas
>their are two gen1 inductive chargers, and no conductive
>charging at all. A huge EV charging gap is now present
>because of this installation).
>
>So why the big deal?
>Don't be fooled into thinking inductive EVs are going to be
>around forever. GM is down to recycling what EV1 gen1s they
>have, and I foresee Toyota providing enough RAV4 EVs to
>meet their quota. Then Toyota will stop just like what
>Honda did with their EV plus line. BTW: Honda is using the
>EV plus platform for their oil fueled fcvs.
>
>Inductive EVs are not going to stay.
>GM, Toyota, Nissan, and other inductive signers, are going
>to sell oil fueled fcvs. Do not think any automaker is
>going to make grid rechargeable EVs when the oil fueled
>fcvs come out.
>
>These oil fueled fcvs will be touted as EVs and all grid
>rechargeable EVs will be referred to as the 'tin-lizzy-s'
>of a by-gone era. These fcvs and EVs each have their niche,
>but the media will be the first to word the death of the
>grid rechargeable EV.
>
>Once this has happened, only EVs built by individuals and
>converters (like what we had before the big boys came in and
>faked us out). These EVs will use the more cost effective
>conductive EV charging. Getting any inductive chargers
>changed out will be hard, as the public will view EVs as
>'old' and not worth the effort.
>
>The time to put in public conductive EV charging is now. The
>conductive EV charging standard is universal. Inductive EV
>drivers can easily adapt to AVCON with the available adapter.
>Let embrace conductive EV charging and work to help inductive
>EVs adapt.
>
>Watt do you think?
>
>
>
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