Re: GM's inductive EV death wedge

[Bruce EVangel Parmenter <brucedp@yahoo.com>]

I am glad the EV List has responded to this topic as I
believe you can read my passion on allowing the EV niche
not to be buried as AUTO/OIL would like.

You know as visible I make myself I am open to listening to
the comments sent to me (that's part of my Editor position
the EV List user's have allowed me to earn).

Some of the comments state ... 'Bruce you repeat yourself so
much' ... , and other time like the response to my
statements about an AVCON adapter has found EV List users
(and a lurking media person writing an EV piece) to point
out one does not have to invent the wheel here.

There is an existing AVCON adapter available provided at
cost by the EAA (see the merchandise link on
http://eaaev.org ).

The gen1, 2, 3 inductive chargers, the evi ics-200 AVCON,
the AVCON powerpak, and a 14-50 outlet (like at RV parks),
all have the same power available.

The conductive and inductive units that mount on the garage
wall use the same Electrical power as the units in the
public: a 208VAC to 240VAC 40 amp source (two hots and a
ground).  There was a question as to whether the gen3
inductive would work on just two hots and a ground, and I
believe that has been proven to work (I will re-confirm this
again).

This means the newbie RAV4 EV drivers can use the same path
the EV-Club members have already blazed. Their efforts have
their home made AVCON adaptors work fine on the gen1 & 2
chargers they bring with them. The EAA AVCON adapter is much
more solid as it is built in to a metal box for all weather
use, and it is at cost (our members effort to keep the cost
low).

The adapter's box has a 14-50 receptacle on the side. Only
the two hots and the ground are active. The inductive
charger has to be wired for a 14-50 so it may use the power
from the public AVCON charger.

fyi: a 14-50 receptacle was chosen as the power connector as
it is Electrically rated to handle the power but also, an EV
driver can stop in at a friendly RV park and park for a spot
to charge at (I have done this).

This issue I hear from newbie RAV EV drivers is what to do
with the 'hooks' on the back of the wall mount charger.

There are already EAA members working on how to resolve
this. The hooks are a problem when trying to mount the
charger on a small dolly. The plan being to come up with a
rear hatch carpet protector, and dolly mount light enough
that a smaller person could handle (the charger weighs
~60lbs). The focus is to not be a big effort to heft the
charger in and out and to not tear up their new EV.

Imagine the money that would be spent on the more expensive
gen3 inductives being spent on more public charging
locations in a contiguous chain of locations?  This would be
a much better way to spend the host's money. Remember, they
are not EV drivers, and we must be sensitive to their view,
their costs, and drive business their way (compensation for
their expenditure).

...
I would like to comment on what Jerry wrote (below, and I
hope others offer their suggestions too).

-Square D has a nice box that has the breakers, 5-20 and
 14-50 all in one box. See my EVcharging site
 http://geocities.com/evcharging/level1evcharging.html for a
 Square D link. Your local Electrican will know their local
 Square D source.

 There is also a AVCON powerpak link on that site. You will
 need to gather the component costs, but approach a couple
 of local Electricans for their estimates of the
 installation costs.

 These cost will vary depending on how much homework you do
 to reduce the installation cost. If you put in one Square D
 box and one AVCON powerpak, you will need to locate it
 close to the power panel and in a location that gas cars
 will not want to park at (never in front, usually in the
 rear like at the Petaluma and Napa Premium Outlet stores
  http://brucedp99.0catch.com/napa99/ ).

-I hope you explain to them that a expressway for LS EVs
 would benefit all if it had timed lights. This an old idea
 (way before cpu chips) and easy to implement. One timed
 speed, makes the commute less stressful with less
 accidents, meaning less money on police, and more efficient
 driving (good for EVs and less ICE pollution. A win++
 plan.


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From:  jerry dycus
Date:  Fri May 31, 2002  12:12 am
Subject:  Re: GM's inductive EV death wedge

Hi Bruce and All,
I went to the local MPO Transportion meeting and met the
District 4 Secretary, Fla Deptment of Transportation and
talked about putting ev charging stations along I-4. He
liked the idea. He asked what kind of outlets would be
needed and I said 120vac reg outlet, a 14-50 220vac range
plug and an avcon.

-Are there stock power center with these in it?  Is there
 anything I can print off the web like info, or a proposal
 that I could use as is or as a starting place? We have a
 chance to make the standard here for Fla. Any suggestions
 welcomed.

I went to get attention to the 2009/11 oil production peak
with it's steep rise in gasoline prices so they will have a
plan in place to ramp up mass transit to cope with it.

-And to promote a system of mostly EV low speed vehicle
 roadways, a 2 lane regular road makes a 5 lane low speed
 vechicle road, as a solution for traffic congestion,
 parking, pollution problems.

Thanks in advance,
jerry dycus
PS. I believe that GM did the inductive paddle to make sure
the EV-1 would fail on economic grounds.  That's what you
get when you have a satelite company, Hughes, design a
battery charger.
-



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