Re: [Fwd: GAS-L: gasifier]

[Peter Singfield <snkm@btl.net>]

Hello again Harmon;

Well -- first of all -- you have to figure 30% diesel --

These systems run about 16% over-all efficiencies when in this mode.

The 30% diesel cost will come out to more than the 6 cents -- probably.

Ergo -- get a bigger diesel -- convert to run on pure producer gas -- to
make up for the derating.

We have a real expert at that on this list. Tom T. But he does this with
large systems.

If I was Tom -- and with what you mention below -- I would be getting real
interested in importing India gasifiers and those larger old style Listers.

Would be no problem to squeeze 30 kwh out of such a system -- and very
reliable.

(They come in four cylinder models -- and make more power if they are
turned faster -- which would be easy -- when your starting at 650 rpm)

You have to put in spark plugs and ignition and timing. Reduce the
compression somewhat (thicker head gasket or carve the piston -- or both).

Why not use a car motor?? Because it will not live long under this kind of
use. An old gasoline tractor engine would be OK though. If you had some
kicking around.

Need big bore long stroke.

Tom T. -- what say??

Me -- I'm stuck here in a small and backward country where they throw you
in jail if you get caught making your own power instead of paying the 18
cents US per kwh the company owning the grid charges. And they have the
only "concession" to make and sell power -- period! (A Canadian Company
called Fortes)

But Tom could definitely design and supply a complete line suitable for
this kind of operation -- is actually in this business -- but up to now --
has only been involved in the big stuff -- 

I'm getting awfully tempted to move up to Wisconsin though and do just this
-- but hear you do not want any more foreigners in your country.

Even us old expat Canadians.

Imagine every farmer in Wisconsin would want one of those.

Hey -- maybe we could do this all by internet?

Peter / Belize



At 07:52 PM 11/17/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>      Oh no, Peter, you aren't aware of what's happening in the US. Many
(well,
>some) are passing "net metering" laws that are quite good. Others are
passing ones
>that aren't so good, but, for instance, here in Wisconsin, I can set up a
20KW
>rig, which, if fueled by renewables, the utility has to pay me for at retail
>rates. Nothing over 20KW, tho, but I can pump that 20KW into the grid 24
hours a
>day, 365 a year, which is a tidy sum in my pocket. California just jumped
from
>10KW to 100KW that they have to buy.  Other states, however, are only
forcing the
>power company to let you run the meter backwards, but if you produce more
than you
>use in the year, you get no check from them, and it's zeroed out at years
end.
>And absurd ripoff, but there you are.
>    I've not yet quite figured out exactly what my WI utility will pay,
but at the
>very least it's $0.0661@KW, so that would be almost $1000 @ month in my
pocket,
>plus, of course, I'd run a 30KW, not 20KW so I'd be assured of having all my
>household power for free as well. Of course I realize there are other costs,
>repairs, etc. -- but also the utility will buy my additional (above 20KW) at
>another rate, the same as they pay other utility companies, I believe.
>
>Peter Singfield wrote:
>
>> Dear Harmon and the rest of this list:
>>
>> This Url demonstrates very clearly how to sell power to the grid and get
>> top dollar for it.
>>
>> http://www.homepower.com/rogues.htm
>>
>> Make your personal meter run backward -- negate your bill!!
>>
>> As in run your gasifier power plant a few hours per day -- run the meter
>> backwards -- then use grid the rest of the time.
>> Peter Singfield in Belize Central America -- where power costs 18 cents US
>> per kwh.
>>
>
>      And I think my brother in New York pays over 16 cents -- but here
again, I'm
>not sure how much of that is for the "electricity" and how much is the "wire"
>charge, and the "surcharge" and the "added" charge and all the other bs
they stick
>you with -- that you won't be getting back when they pay you.
>
>
>--
>Harmon Seaver
>CyberShamanix
>http://www.cybershamanix.com
>
>
>

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