Re: GAS-L: Fuel Cells -- ethanol -- reforming natural gas

[Arnt Karlsen <arnt@c2i.net>]

On Friday 11 January 2002 17:54, Peter Singfield wrote:

> Personally -- I to feel methanol is the right fuel for this. But we

..actually, I prefer syngas here.  Which we can make cheaper than 
methanol.  ;-)

> have a huge "green" segment saying no!

.._amen_.  

> If indeed methanol is the ideal fuel -- would it not be of greater
> expedience to cultivate woody biomass (as in tree plantations) rather
> than food crops (For ethanol production) for fuel??
<...>
> In short folks -- becoming dependent on food crops for transportation
> fuels could result in a lot of walking being required should even a
> minor global crop failure occur.

.."no problem, we already buy food out of childrens mouths".

> (Or is this all just political rhetoric??)

..  ;-)  

> Peter Singfield / Belize
>
> At 09:31 AM 1/11/2002 -0600, Bill Hauserman wrote:

> distributed demand for small per-site amounts.  The mandated  premise
> of hydrogen-fuel-cell vehicles is that ALL vehicles may eventually 
> get expensive and impractical to operate,  either due to inevitable 
> depletion of petroleum reserves or human-imposed (geopolitical or 
> environmental) constraints.
>                             Bill  Hauserman

..another "green" myth.  
We teach our kids "there is not enough for all.  So, someone, has to do 
something." and leave kids like Tim McVeigh, to reach their own 
conclusions.  
In Palestine and Asia Minor, we have the Jews teach "you are die 
untermaenschen.  So, we screw you." and leave kids like Mohammad Atta, 
to reach their own conclusions.  
In Iraq, we have Saddam teach kids they are brave soldiers and that the 
AK-47 is their best friend.  Nice working scheme, hah?

..instead we _could_ try either mating gasifiers to fuel cells, or drop 
prop mills in between Florida and Cuba, and feed the power to flywheel 
powered peeling MW autos, that leave the gas guzzles in the dust on the 
drag strip.

..numbers?  Half of todays electricity is made from coal boiling water 
etc at an average 35% efficiency.  Transport fuels move 1.5 billion 
people around at an average 25% efficiency.  "So, there is not enough 
for all 6.5 billion.  So, someone, has to do something." 

..diverting todays coal thru a gasifier + fuel cell loop process, will 
top out at 93% efficiency without extra heat supply.  Jack Bitterly's 
flywheels are now in use for spacecraft attitude control and has a 96% 
charge cycle efficiency, afaik.  Search for '"Jack Bitterly" + american 
+ flywheel'.

..my allegation: we can keep 15 billion people driving for 400 years.  
No need for WWIII, Noch Eine Endloesung, Ebola, Festung Europa, 
AIDS, nukes, or Festung Amerika.  And I, I get _stinking_ rich.

..or, or and, we can drop a few big prop mills into the strait between 
Florida and Cuba and do it for a few billion years.  Or, or and, we can 
make Festung Europa freeze over.  As in: "Who started the slave trade 
and gassed and dumped the Jews in Palestine and won the Vietnam war?".

..a set of flywheels, will weigh as much as a typical engine + gear box 
+ drive train + fuel systems + tail pipe etc, or a fuel cell rig plus 
electric motors plus fuel tank systems plus tail pipe systems etc.  
According to Jack Bitterly, a full flywheel charge is done about as 
quick as you can tank your gasoline fired auto.  You tank your auto in 
5 minutes?  Try calculate that "tanking power".  Then imagine being 
able to *use* that peeling power on a drag strip.  After that, you can 
make a qualified decision on "what, someone should do".

..or, have the "green" et al, keep doing it.  Your call.

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with kind regards from Arnt.

  Scenarios always come in sets of three:
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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