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Gasification Archive for April 2002
36 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:18:17 2002

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RE: GAS-L: Transportation Cost and Storage



Kevin is right and wrong-

In my experience wet woodchips will not fill a UK 40tonne unit  (25tonne 70m3 payload) however with dry (15%-20% wb) you can only get about 15-18 tonnes of payload in with a huge heaped piles above the sides of the trailer.

There is also some saving for not hauling so much weight and perhaps using a smaller tractor unit (less capex and operating costs)

 

Why use capstones – designed for natural gas- nice and clean when there are existing proven technologies (reciprocating gas engines) for that application?

 

I will be surprised if all your timber requirements can be met within a sensible distance of a landfill site?

 

You will need to do a fairly wide ranging study to determine the optimum operating relationship between the different options – even though all the capital expenditure seems huge it is actually not so relevant as the ongoing operating costs in what will be a marginal business.

So you must look at what is the most economical (least manpower- least handling) solution for harvesting trees and turning them into electricity fuel,

This as other listers have mentioned is very site specific and , if you do not have the expertise, then you would be best advised to engage someone who has:- Go for track record and follow up references as there are many who would claim knowledge they don’t have. You may well get some “free” help from turnkey suppliers however they will want to make sure you are serious with financial backing before they invest in preparing detailed proposals.

 

Kind regards

 

gavin

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Fields [mailto:cfields@mail.utexas.edu]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 20:58
To: Kevin Chisholm; David Reynolds-Lacey; gasification@crest.org
Subject: Re: GAS-L: Transportation Cost and Storage

 

We are currently investigating using the landfill gas with capstone microturbines.  It may be possible to use the waste heat off the capstone to aid in drying.

 

Cody Fields

----- Original Message -----

To: James Fields ; David Reynolds-Lacey ; gasification@crest.org

Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:08 PM

Subject: Re: GAS-L: Transportation Cost and Storage

 

Dear Cody

----- Original Message -----

To: David Reynolds-Lacey ; gasification@crest.org

Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: GAS-L: Transportation Cost and Storage

 

Thanks for the suggestion.  We hadn't thought of drying the wood before transporting it, but it is the most sensible thing to do.  There is an abundance of landfill gas available to us currently being flared.

 

1: It may very well be that drying the wood "on site" will not reduce your freight costs at all.... generally chip trucks are limited by VOLUME rather than weight; drying the wood "on site" could result in the same "cost per load" even though the weight is less.

 

2: If you have landfill gas available, why not use it in an engine and generate electric power on site???? You would still have about 2/3 of the contained energy for drying, if that was an economically advantageous move to make.

 

Kindest regards,

 

Kevin Chisholm