Re: small-scale gasification , rankine combo

["Dave" <wdzeller@adelphia.net>]

Dear Paul:

Here are a few companies who produce gasifiers. They are located in China
and you will probably require use of an online translator to make full use
of them. I suggest either the Altavista
Translator(http://babelfish.altavista.com/) or the Arcnet Translator(
http://sangenjaya.arc.net.my/url/index-e.html). Some of these are outright
gas producers while others are cooking stoves

Here are a few manufacturers:
http://sxxx.sei.sn.cn/sxxb/xatwt/tan06.html
http://www.tiantian-qd.com/product.htm
http://www.cnnygh.com/qiyiechanpin/qihualu/qihualuidex.htm
http://www.cnnygh.com/qiyiechanpin/qihualu/qihualujpg.htm
http://www.cn-res.com/homepage/lk-res/a2/Mpicture1.htm

 Also, here are a few links for some interesting energy saving solid
fuel/coal stoves:
http://www.hardwaretoday.com/meilu/index.htm#P1
http://www.china-huage.com/product.htm
http://www.cnnygh.com/qiyiechanpin/jimeilu/jiemeilu.htm
http://www.sjzlq.gov.cn/xz/dahe/bz/bz.html
http://www.hede.com.cn/csnql.htm
http://www.guanglei.com.cn/
http://www.chinahuowang.com/
http://www.jzgy.net/mxqy/zagl/cpjs.htm
http://www.86370.com/business/gl/gl.htm
http://www.suliqiang.com/cpjs.htm
http://www.congxin.com/index.htm

I know many of these products primarily use coal, but it seems that with the
new generation of coal gasifiers that the Chinese have perfected a product
which can burn high volatile bituminous lump coal to some degree of
efficiency. In addition, their standard coal-fired water stoves feature
improved efficiency, though not as good as the gasifiers.

I realize that you may not " be into coal", but the fact is that for many
large, highly populated countries coal is considered as a cheap domestically
produced alternative to expensive imported petroleum.

I have, however,  found some interesting corporate websites in Turkey where
they build efficient stoves that burn all sorts of wood products as well as
coal. These stoves are known as "kovali soba" (bucket stoves) which are
designed as low cost, attractive (they are porcelain enameled) heating and
cooking stoves. If you are interested in knowing more about these stoves
(efficiencies ranging from 77% to 87%) let me know and I'll send you a
comprehensive list of their webpages.  They are noteworthy in that the Turks
seem to have perfected a stove in which combustion air is effectively
preheated. Also, these heaters and cooking ranges are supposedly smokeless
in operation.

Sincerely,

Dave Zeller

---- Original Message -----
From: "Paul S. Anderson" <psanders@ilstu.edu>
To: "jerry dycus" <jerry5335@yahoo.com>
Cc: <gasification@crest.org>; <stoves@crest.org>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: small-scale gasification , rankine combo


> At 06:59 AM 6/20/02 -0700, jerry dycus wrote:
> >       Hi All,
> >          I agree that small gasifiers should be here (discussed on
> > Gasification List).
> >There is a good sized for gasifiers for a 1.5 to 10hp
> >motors for making electricity while heating the
> >building making it almost 100% eff with the electric
> >savings paying for the engine, gen and fuel.
>
> Does anyone have a full (or partial) list of commercially available SMALL
> gasifiers, their costs, and their capabilities.   What is the smallest
that
> is commercially available?
>
> >       Most needed is a unit that can be started then
> >left to burn for 12hrs. Is there a simpler way than
> >using pellets and a feed auger?
>
> Tom Reed and I are working with "batch feeding" and can get a sustained
> burn for 40 minutes without much problem.   But we have not made a
> large-batch unit, so we do not know the impact of the height that is
> essentially filled with pellets.   One of many experiments waiting to be
tried.
>
> >         A 2 or 3hp (Motor) unit would be a real money
> >saver for those north of Fla. Too bad I live in
> >central Fla.
> >         Along with the gasifier, a small rankine
> >engine of the same size to get the most from producer
> >gas.
> >         Does anyone know about using ethanol as a
> >working fluid compared to water or propane/butane in
> >eff?
> >      I've heard it's good but couldn't find any info
> >on it.
> >        In the last 3 months I've learned a lot about
> >rankine engine and want to build 20kw unit and
> >shooting for 40% eff with insulation and heat recovery
> >preheating the working fluid and combustion air into
> >the insulated gasifier .
> >                Thanks,
> >                   jerry dycus
> >--- Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> > > Dear Paul
> > >
> > > "Paul S. Anderson" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gasifiers,
> > > >
> > > > Who on the Gasification List Serve is seriously
> > > interested / involved with
> > > > the very small size gasification units such as Tom
> > > Reed and I am
> > > > producing?  I would like to know who you are.
> > > >
> > > I am very interested in very small size gasification
> > > units.
> >
> >
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