Re: GAS-L: Small Scale Gasifiers

["Paul S. Anderson" <psanders@ilstu.edu>]

Doug and all,

I can agree with Doug about "stoves" issues:  Doug said   "so let's discuss 
[on the Gasification list-serve] making gas and not heat, unless it's 
burning gas! "

Therefore, I will keep my "gasification list-serve" questions on the topic 
of making and burning gas, and not about other "stove" issues.

Those from the Gasification list who contacted me about small-scale 
gasifiers will receive appropriate extra messages "off list".

Doug, please help me with the following that comes from your message.   You 
wrote about small gasifiers that:   "their correct name of double burning 
or smokeless stoves which commercial manufacturers call them."   I have 
been on the Stoves list for over a year and this is the first time I have 
heard this terminology and that there are commercial manufacturers of 
them.     Also, what someone calls a "smokeless stove" is possibly not a 
true gasifier stove.  Please tell me what you have in mind.   What 
commercial stoves, etc.

Also please provide the specific address so I can see your earlier 
contribution.  You wrote:
"Since I posted the design for a
small gasifier on the Fluidyne Archive last year,nobody on this list has
written to me saying "I'm ready to go, what's next?" "    I probably did 
not look today at the correct place.

We also have not even established what is "small" in gasifier terms.

I GREATLY appreciate you knowledge, and I will strive to keep to the issues 
of "gasification".

I am sending this message to our colleagues on the "Stoves" list.  They 
(we) can discuss this topic there also, noting that only those who are 
subscribed to both lists can post to both lists.

Stovers, let's make sure that anything to the Gasification list is 
SPECIFIC  about gasification.

Paul

At 08:36 PM 6/26/02 +1200, Graeme Williams wrote:
>Dear Gasification Colleagues,
>
>It is easy to understand the confusion that exists about gasification in a
>general sense as the phenomenon can be found anywhere you create fire.
>However, for this interest group to include gasifying stoves is in my
>opinion incorrect, as they should be identified by their correct name of
>double burning or smokeless stoves which commercial manufacturers call them,
>and as such stay in the stoves forum.
>
>For people researching gasification and interested in using gas to use
>separately for whatever end use, this is the one group who can offer the
>most assistance and information on the subject, particularly if it is for
>engine applications.  Those of us who actually work in this field of
>technology have made a commitment to see gasification fulfill an important
>role as a source of renewable energy and chemical feedstock.  To cross
>pollinate gasification with close coupled combustion, then discuss adapting
>these stoves for engines is less than helpful to those who seek accurate
>information about gasification.
>
>While it might be important for individuals to buy a small gasifier, it is
>equally important for the manufacturer to find enough individuals to create
>a market.  Then, instead of saying how much are small gasifiers, ask
>yourself - how much am I prepared to pay for one.  This is a valid question,
>so state your financial ability to pay for your commitment to renewable
>energy.
>
>Alternatively, decide on a size (discuss it with a manufacturer first), get
>a quote and order 50.  Then onsell to those who just want one unit.  If this
>isn't a solution for you specifically, then you have to accept that the only
>way to own one, is to build it yourself.  Since I posted the design for a
>small gasifier on the Fluidyne Archive last year,nobody on this list has
>written to me saying "I'm ready to go, what's next?"
>
>Last August in Northern Ireland, two French engineering students working at
>ITI (Innovation Technologies Ireland) built one out of salvaged scrap steel
>and I shared their excitement of having it flaring gas within 3 minutes of
>ignition.  I'll see if I can find the photographs and ask Graeme to put them
>up on the Fluidyne Archive - www.fluidynenz.250x.com.  This will take a
>couple of days.
>
>Gasification is very addictive and a lot of fun . . . so let's discuss
>making gas and not heat, unless it's burning gas!
>
>Doug Williams
>
>
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Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D.,  Fulbright Prof. to Mozambique 8/99 - 7/00
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