Re: GAS-L: Government gasifier projects...

["jim dunham" <jamespdunham@hotmail.com>]

Also consider 'briquettes' instead of pellets.  Same principle...same 
advantages...much less cost.

Jim Dunham



>From: BronzeoakC@aol.com
>To: tombreed@attbi.com|, tombreed@attbi.com ("Tom Reed")
>CC: gasification@crest.org
>Subject: Re: GAS-L: Government gasifier projects...
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:35:21 -0400
>
>Dear Tom,
>I read your e-mail with interest.
>Do you have any more specific information about the pelletizing of bagasse 
>in Brazil? Or can you suggest where I can find it? We are working on a 
>bagasse cogen in the Philippines and need a way to provide biomass fuel 
>during the out-of-season period.
>Best regards
>David Walden
>Bronzeoak Corp.
>
>
>In a message dated Sat, 3 Aug 2002 5:13:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>tombreed@attbi.com writes:
>
> >
> >   Subj:  GAS-L: Government gasifier projects...
> >   Date:  Sat, 3 Aug 2002 5:13:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >   From:  "Tom Reed" <tombreed@attbi.com>
> >   To:  "Tom Miles" <tmiles@trmiles.com>, "AJH" 
><andrew.heggie@dtn.ntl.com>, <gasification@crest.org>, "Stoves" 
><Stoves@crest.org>
> >   Reply-To:  "Tom Reed" <tombreed@attbi.com>
> >   Sent from the Internet (Details)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Tom, Andrew et al:
> >
> > I'm glad Tom Miles could counter my overgeneralized blackwash of 
>Government
> > projects.  I have been involved in a few and learned a lot and hope I am
> > passing it on as much as possible.
> >
> > The Hawaii project in particular grated on me because it went through
> > several phases before any money was spent.  In its initial phase (about
> > 1986) it was meant to be a "Methanol from Biomass" project which I 
>applauded
> > and still applaud.  Congress set aside $5 M in matching funds.  It was
> > rumoured to be "prewired" for the Institute of Gas Technology (IGT) 
>gasifier
> > in Chicago.  Our (SynGas Inc.) 40 page proposal from SynGas for a
> > pressurized fixed bed oxygen gasifier was rejected immediately, even 
>though
> > we had been operating a one ton unit for  4-5 years at the Solar Energy
> > Research Institute.
> >
> > This first phase faded when IGT's matching funds proved vaporous.  The 
>money
> > must have been underground because it resurfaced about 1992 (?) in 
>similar
> > form, a METHANOL FROM BIOMASS project.  I remember sending an objecting
> > letter to the DOE that the IGT gasifier was not very suitable because it
> > made a gas high in hydrocarbons which would have to be reformed to a 
>syngas,
> > while other gasifiers (oxygen in particular) make a gas that is 
>primarily CO
> > and H2 and would require much less conditioning.
> >
> > The Hawaii project was crippled by working with one of the world's most
> > difficult feeding fuels - raw bagasse from sugar cane.  Tom could tell 
>you
> > the details, but it chewed up a million dollars worth of feeders.  And
> > probably $50 M worth of development time and much talent over 12 years.
> >
> > ~~~~~~
> > In several ways bagasse is a very attractive energy source.  Every sugar
> > plant is a potential source of biomass or power and Winrock is busy 
>helping
> > to convert low pressure sugar mills to high pressure "power plants/sugar
> > mills" around the world.
> >
> > If you densify bagasse (piece of cake) it makes one of the nicest 
>biomass
> > fuels, well washed and very dense.  Pellets were selling in Brazil for <
> > $10/ton last year and I have been working with a group heading toward
> > methanol.  They are ready to start testing on their phase II gasifier in 
>a
> > month or two.  The pellets would be suitable for a coal type lock 
>hoppers -
> > proven technology.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > On the other hand I have been involved in a lot of Small Business 
>Innovation
> > Grant projects and they seem to do very well.  Industry is not usually 
>in a
> > position to test new ideas, so SBIRs provide a Phase I II
> > III stage to
> > bringing them to fruition.
> >
> > Yours truly,                                TOM REED
> > BEF GASWORKS
>
>
>
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