Re: GAS-L: The "Hydrogen Economy": Bleak or Bright?

[Peter Singfield <snkm@btl.net>]

At 10:26 AM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: 
>>>>
Peter  What a paranoid view of the world. The reality is  that yes many
large companies control oil and energy production in this modern  age
because of the high risk and high cost in developing oil production. If you
 have a good cost effective alternative to cheap oil that is great. Take
the big  plunge and market it to the world.  Unfortunately (or fortunately
depending on your  veiw point) energy is about economics if you can't look
at the costs of the  whole project and compete it is doomed to be a
failure.  We should be looking at all kinds of alternatives  to fossil fuel
and continuously re-evaluting costs and benifits but lets not go  blasting
the people that provide what we have. For the most part everybody in  all
of this world is just trying to make their way.  Remember alot of the
aternative technologies (fuel  cells etc) have come from the industrial
nations that you seem to have a problem  with.   Kelly/USA   

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I am an engineer from "modern" world -- except many years of 3rd world
exposure.

If 10 man hours per gallon of fuel is not economically feasible up your way
-- it is here.

It is quite true that modern countries ignore any concept of future.

So what does not pay now -- kill that idea.

I ordered a tiny cane crusher from India -- should be here shortly. 300
pounds of cane per hour -- 

I plan on doing some real time work on "strong rum" -- for fuel purposes.
How much cost -- how much labor -- etc.

Just like i have been doing on oil trees.

I am not funded by outside sources -- can do what I damn well please.

Talk to me in ten years time -- OK??

I was a strong supporter of nuclear power plants as a solution to our
present future scenario -- based totally on -- don't worry now -- lot's of
fossil fuels left -- let the future look after itself.

You got to be kidding -- right??

Fuel cells are "Sci-fi" -- that is possible -- rather than fantasy.

Strong rum is now -- as is running my old style Lister on tree oils.

Gasoline is presently $3.40 US per gallon here.

Don't see it going down.

"Replacement" value of strong rum -- not sci-fi -- already works.

Good luck in your brave new world -- sleep well --

I certainly do -- even if I have no modern conveniences -- no fuel -- I can
still live well.

Shit -- I'll just get on my sail boat -- and go fishing!

http://Belize1.com/reefcrawl/trip.html

Totally traditional "local" boat -- married to a little of the best of
modern technology -- it will certainly outlive me -- and requires no fuels!!

Now -- just who are you trying to kid???

Me?? Hey -- been there -- done that -- changed --

I'm retired -- just trying to stimulate minds younger than mine to "think" --

Or rather -- in face of developing issues -- seeing if anyone is left up
there that is made of "real" stuff. 

Belize has a population of less than 350,000 people -- yet owes 1.5 billion
US -- 

We are an Argentina waiting to happen.

sugar is dead -- citrus is dead -- every export industry is dead.

Excuse me for thinking in terms of total self sufficiency starting in the
short term.

Every country in 3rd world is some what like Belize.

We better give up mechanized agriculture -- go back to totally sustainable
"milpa" (as practiced by the Maya here for 10,000 or more years) as it
needs not foreign exchange for fuels -- fertilizers and machineries.

Hey -- if you lived in 3rd world for 15 years -- you might be thinking just
like I do.

One never knows for sure -- but one can certainly spot trends and act
accordingly.

Modern life style is busting the world bank of resources -- so what would
you be doing -- if you lived on the short end of this stick??

Keep on dreaming that there exists an unlimited amount of money to be
borrowed to buy modern industrialized nation's "toys" to advance out plot
in life??

Serious here --

Sorry -- I am to much the engineer to believe that -- have "observed" to
much of real world.

The modern program you espouse does not compute --

Granted -- popular modern mentality can never grasp this --

Peter

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