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Greenbuilding Archive for June 2000
367 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:24:10 2002

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Re: GBlist: Using Water Heater As Boiler



Using your figures a family of 2 heating with gas or propane would save $12.47 (2.5%). But I don't say return on investment is the most important factor, it's just that there is a budget, and you need to decide where to put each $500 to get the most effect. Is it a greywater heat recovery device, a better HRV, a south window and some solar mass, movable insulation, a solar panel? Only by calculating the potential benefit from each option can you make intelligent choices (actually quite easy to do).
 
On a similar topic, one builder I'm talking to who is very proud of his energy smart houses installs a storage tank to preheat water to room temp. before it goes into the HWT. I can't figure this one out. Aren't you just cooling the room, increasing the heat loss from the HWT, and coming out more or less even?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: GBlist: Using Water Heater As Boiler



For some illuminating facts on grey water heat recovery go to
http://www.vaughncorp.com/gfx.html

In certain locations grey water heat recovery CAN be economical.

For an example of favorable economics, lets assume:
  - a NE U.S. location with an average annual ground temperature of 50F
  - basement construction with hot water heater near main water drain (to
facilitate installation)
  - electric resistance heated water with electric rates of $0.10/kWh.
 - 1/2 of hot water use results in grey water draining simultaneously with
incoming cold water flow.  This would hold true for showers and unstoppered
sinks.  It would generally not hold true for "batch" water use, such as washing
machines, dishwashers or baths, although there would be some opportunity for
heat exchange if other hot water use were simultaneous with these activities.
  - heat exchange efficiency between incoming cold water and warm draining grey
water of 50%.  This means that the incoming cold water can be pre-heated to half
the temperature difference between the two streams.  If the average draining
grey water temperature were 90F, then the incoming cold water could be heated
1/2 the difference between 90 and 50, or 20F.  So the incoming cold water starts
at 50F and ends up at 70F (average grey water temperature might be 90F
(simultaneous: showers ~ 100F, unstoppered sinks ~ 85F.  batch: dishwashers ~
125F, clothes washers ~ 75F to 100F.)
  - water heating efficiency (i.e., "recovery efficiency") of water heater is
98%.  This is the proper number to use rather than the "energy factor", which
factors in standby thermal losses from the tank which will occur regardless of
the presence of grey water heat recovery or not.
  - family of 5 that uses 80 gallons of hot water per day.