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Greenbuilding Archive for January 2002
564 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:26:29 2002

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[GBlist] radiant barrier for cold climes WAS tar-paper



I've been getting conflicting information re radiant barriers. Are they useful in cold climates (VT/NH). At the moment it seems as if it is not cost-effective.
 
Need to have at air space (3 inches is most common recommendation) between itself and warm air space wall/ceiling. Then pile on insulation. It is difficult to retrofit a house with these specs, and not cost-effective.
 
-- gilbert midonnet
 
-----Original Message-----
From: clark ellison [mailto:cellison1@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:53 PM
To: Green Building
Subject: Re: [GBlist] tar-paper for roofing

No.   I would agree with that thought but those who are smarter than I, and there are many, say it faces the inside of the attic. It may have to do with tear off. When you remove the old roofing material it would also remove the foil. But then again the rolls of radiant barrier are also applied to the underside of the sheathing not the top regardless of the stage of construction. It is rolled out over the rafters in new construction and stapled to the bottom of the rafters in existing homes. I would think if it worked better on the top they would come up with a tar paper that has foil applied so it would act as a barrier.But then again it may be a cost item. I looked at rolls of radiant barrier in Home Depot yesterday. $50.00 for 5'X125' roll, marked down from $75.00. That would add a grand to a roofing job by the time you add material and labor.
The ceramic paints that are applied to the metal roof do work better on the outside than under the sheathing.
Applied to the outside, fifteen-thousandths of an inch of dried product, in white, is equal to R-20,  on the inside it is maybe R-5. Of course my money is on the outside numbers dropping on a shady day.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [GBlist] tar-paper for roofing

If you are trying to avoid the heat buildup from the Texas sun, doesn't the radiant foil barrier have to be on the top side?
Bob Jordan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [GBlist] tar-paper for roofing

When the sheathing is applied to the roof the shiny side faces down. The difference in price between standard sheathing and the sheathing with the foil already applied is only around five dollars per 4X8 sheet. It may be slightly more temperature efficient to apply a radiant barrier on the underside of the rafters when new but after a short time it is coated by dust and would not be advantageous. The labor cost on the other hand would cause people to just leave it out of construction all together.
The temperature difference in an attic here in South Texas utilizing this type of product vs. one that does not is amazing.
The greatest amount of heat gain is through the roof making this product cost and actually effective, reduces the demand for electricity, and most important, saleable to people building a home that would not consider green building products. Until a green building product is in use, it isn't actually a green building product.
So the answer to the question is, no, it still works. Although it would work better with one, if you can keep the radiant barrier clean.
 
Doesn't there need to be an air space between the radiant barrier and the tar paper for the radiant barrier to work?
Bob Jordan


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