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Greenbuilding Archive for March 2002
241 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:26:45 2002

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[GBlist] Separated Thermal Mass



Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:40:22 -0500
To:
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From: "Bion D. Howard" <>
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Separated Thermal Mass
Bion D. Howard:
In over 40 cases of design support for Air Core hybrid heat storage systems
that employ pressurization supply of warmed air to the CMU mass channels,
there have been no moisture complaints that I have been made aware of.
Me:
Is the CMU mass channels an essential to your systems?  Is this in the walls?  Would your observation apply to a localized thermal mass, say large gravel in an insulated room in the basement?
 
Bion D. Howard:
1)  hybrid blowers activated by dT controller only when supply temp > mass
temp, plus several degrees
Me:
Is this in both directions, removing excess heat and supplying heat from rocks or CMU?
Bion D. Howard:
3)  totally passive cooling - never intentionally air-cooled where
temperature in mass could go below the dew-point temperature, and cause
condensation => droplets => water => mold
Me:
If I used cooler summertime night time mountain air for the cooling with a fan to aid (could be considered active), would that protect me from cooling the rocks below dew point temperature?  Do I need to study dew point temperatures for summer air to stop cooling the rocks by cutting the fan at some point.  During the hot 90 plus humid days in the summer, it usually gets down the the 50's at night.  Since the house would start out cool from all house fan, the rocks would not be called on to absorb heat until the afternoon when even the insulated rocks will likely have warmed some. 
 
Bion D. Howard:
5) destratification duct design can move air into system in swing season,
albeit under the conditions cited in 1 - 4 above (could provide tempering
of indoor spaces from overheating)
Me:
Is this a duct from the high point of a sloped ceiling that would channel heat to separated thermal mass? 
 
Bion D. Howard:
6) CMU "block bed" always installed over insulation, vapor retarder, gravel
drainage layer (well sealed foundations are a cornerstone of good design
anyway)
Me:
Is this below a slab or framing for floor?  If it is a slab, is the slab insulated on from CMU "block bed"?  
 
Bion, I appreciate your response to this subject of separated thermal mass for storing excess heat for the purpose of controlling maintaining comfort with the flywheel affect. 
 
B. Eli Fishpaw
Architect in Virginia


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