Re: [GBlist] Destiny USA - Green Building - A sham and a half

["Troy Glasner" <troy2@magma.ca>]

Hey Ben:

I'm the first to agree with you - there is too much green marketing going on
that is bogus - but and I'm not sure if you've looked at their website - it
has the following as they say affiliates or partners -

Related Links

The following links are affiliates or partners of the DestiNY USA Green
initiative:

http://www.rmi.org/ - Rocky Mountain Institute
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/ - N.Y.S. Dept. of Environmental Conservation
http://www.usgbc.org/ - U.S. Green Building Council
http://www.nrdc.org/ - National Resource Defense Council
http://www.nyserda.org/ - N.Y.S. Energy Research & Development Authority
http://www.batteryparkcity.org/ - Battery Park City Authority
http://www.nyieq.com/ - N.Y.S. Indoor Environmental Quality Center
http://www.epa.gov/ - U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

If they can make this work - then I'm all for it and the reason being - it
will demonstrate to the Corporate community that projects like this can be
done without the fuel, waste and issues that we all complain about on this
list. As the RMI, Hawken and all have said - we can't stop growing as a
planet - we just have to figure a way to do it naturally - and if DestiNY
USA can do it - then now Ford, GM, and every other Fortune 500 - 1000
company has NO excuse in doing it because now this company has set a new and
higher standard for them - it will be a Shame Ford for not developing a
production plant that is 100% sustainable AND profitable.

But if DestiNY USA doesn't do it but still CLAIMS it - then it is our job to
make sure the public knows its a fraud and that it is just another example
of Green Marketing that has destroyed the very concept of sustainability.
So I would suggest we help them to make it possible versus plague them with
doubters and hope they fail.  This is going to happen - whether we like it
or not - let's make sure it is 100% green and nothing short.

Just a thought.

Troy Glasner


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben K. Falk" <benfalk@islandschool.org>
To: "Donna Watkins" <donna@theherbsplace.com>; <greenbuilding@crest.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GBlist] Destiny USA - Green Building - A sham and a half


> Donna et-al,
>
> Greenwashing - what corporations do when they want to convince people that
> they have motives as important as their charter (short term profit
> generation) - is becoming ever more common.  Renewable technologies, as
they
> are sexy and visible are tools in this trade.
> Other, more fundamental strategies of being green, such as conserving
> resources in the first place: driving less, buying less stuff, growing a
> veggie garden, reusing materials, a healthy dose of frugality, are far
more
> influential than simply substituting power sources from coal to wind while
> maintaining rates of consumption that exceed the rest of the
industrialized
> world by 1.5 to 20 times.
>
> Sure, exposing the masses to the success of renewable energies is a good
> thing but we need to remember what the real meaning of such a project is,
> and it surely is not to be green.
> Destiny USA is aimed at consumption, not the sustenance of anything.
> Let's be sure to look through our designs and remember their intent and
> their real influences.
>
> Destiny USA (with):
>
>
> > 15 million total square feet of space
> > 4,000 hotel rooms
> > 65 acre indoor park
> > Golf Course
> > World's Largest Marine Life Aquarium
> > 6 Story Rock & Ice Climbing Wall
> > Broadway Shows
> > 15,000 Seat Amphitheater
> > Winter Garden
> > 30 Restaurants & Cafes
> > Over 400 Retailers and Activities
> > International Fashion
> > Replicas of the NY attractions - including a
> > 1,200 ft. Erie Canal & Niagara Falls
>
> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GREEN LAS VEGAS.
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Watkins" <donna@theherbsplace.com>
> To: <greenbuilding@crest.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:36 AM
> Subject: [GBlist] Destiny USA - Green Building
>
>
> > I just noticed this in a newsletter I get.  I'm rather new to the list
so
> it
> > may have been mentioned before, but I thought it was a very interesting
> > read!
> >
> >
> > The World's Largest Resort Powered by Windmills &
> > Solar Panels is Coming to my Neck of the Woods!
> >
> > Have you heard about DestiNY USA?
> >
> > Opening in Syracuse, NY in 2004, DestiNY USA will
> > not only be the largest resort/hospitality center in the
> > world, but it will also be powered with alternative
> > types of energy including solar panels, fuel cells,
> > windmills and other alternative energy systems.
> >
> > Robert Congel, the developer and manager of the
> > Pyramid Companies (the largest shopping center
> > developer in the Northeast), has promised that
> > DestiNY USA will be the largest green building in the
> > world by using no fossil fuel energy!
> >
> > Many alternative energy experts, including the Rocky
> > Mountain Institute (listed in our links directory at the
> > site) have helped with the design of this mammoth
> > project!
> >
> > Because of the sheer size of the new facility, a 300
> > acre energy center will need to be built, which not only
> > means new jobs, but it also means the focus on these
> > types of energy will now be in the spotlight! This is
> > great news for those of us who have dreamed about the
> > possibilities of making our own electricity, but have not
> > be financially able to get started. With more & more
> > folks wanting alternative energy, the prices will become
> > much more competitive for us as consumers!
> >
> > We so enjoy our 4 seasons here in Upstate, NY, but
> > the thought of having such a facility to enjoy during the
> > cold winter months is something we are excited about!
> >
> > Have a look at some of the things that will be housed
> > under one roof!
> >
> > 15 million total square feet of space
> > 4,000 hotel rooms
> > 65 acre indoor park
> > Golf Course
> > World's Largest Marine Life Aquarium
> > 6 Story Rock & Ice Climbing Wall
> > Broadway Shows
> > 15,000 Seat Amphitheater
> > Winter Garden
> > 30 Restaurants & Cafes
> > Over 400 Retailers and Activities
> > International Fashion
> > Replicas of the NY attractions - including a
> > 1,200 ft. Erie Canal & Niagara Falls
> >
> > We are looking forward to the new center & encourage
> > you to come visit us in 2004!
> >
> > Take a peek at the project yourself!
> > http://www.destinyusa.com/
> >
> > Blessings to you!
> > Donna
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