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Stoves Archive for January 2002
240 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:31:21 2002

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ETHOS meeting report



 Stovers:

             This is a summary (reporter-type) note on the recently completed two-day stove meeting – held at Seattle University.  There were about 30 in attendance, with the largest number associated with Aprovecho (Dean Still, Larry Winiarski, Peter Scott, Mike Hatfield,  et al).  The next largest group were from three Universities.

 The presentations were  well done and most will be available on the  web sites of one or more of the three Universities that were involved::Iowa State (Prof. Mark Bryden – talking about modeling and cookpot testing), Dayton (graduate student Chris Schmidt - talking about student materials-testing of bricks), and Seattle (Prof.Ananda Cousins).

 Some new (to me and the “stoves” list) results:

  1. Mark Bryden gave some early results from an experimental cook stove test apparatus, showing the ISU capability to accurately measure and display temperatures and weights vs energy consumption (using a liquid fuel as a surrogate) and other variables..  
  2.  Chris showed rather complete physical data (strengths, thermal qualities) comparing Ken Goyer’s insulative bricks with hard brick and a Guatemalan tile.
  3. Ken’s formulation , (which had been given on “stoves” earlier (but I can’t find that message) by Dean  – I think by volume was - 2 parts local clay, 1 part fire clay, 1 part cement and 4 parts sawdust).  These will float (for short time) – and seem of high quality and probably low cost.  Aprovecho seems to be going entirely to these.  Ken stated that his “secret” ingredient was the cement – something “never” used by potters and brick makers. 
  4. Don O’Neal talked about plancha stoves (built around rocket stove principles) he designed, being installed in Guatemala – which are very attractive and are made from concrete cast in fiberglass reproducible molds (with the Goyer bricks for the firebox).  His planchas are locally produced for $19 (metal only)   Traditional approach to cooking the tortillas is a large ceramic platter – costing about $1.00 – but having short expected life.  Total stove cost about $65 – but not affordable to the intended villagers. 
  5. Tami Bond gave a preliminary but detailed report on the efficiency and emissions testing of a rocket stove and traditional three stone method – showing about a 50% improvement.  This was done using expensive modern testing equipment, with especial attention to particulates and their size distributions.  The Rockets are better by about 50% (both for CO and particulates).  Efficiency up several points (mid-high 20’s versus low 20’s)
  6. Tami also gave a detailed report on different possible future means of emissions testing in the field and in laboratories.  No conclusions yet – but great start on options.  Not clear that CO measurement alone is sufficient – may also need particulates.
  7. Also considerable discussion (no single talk) on the need for a lower cost locally produced means of  manufacturing chimneys.

 There was also a second-day period of group discussion on previous day’s discussions;  on funding, plans, then a period of stoves demonstrations and a wrap-up self-selection into R&D team tasks led by Mark. Bryden.  

Summary – very useful meeting – especially for better understanding the Rocket stove.  Good future R&D-result possibilities from University teaching programs (and from Aprovecho).  Details will be available shortly on one or more web sites.

Ron