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Stoves Archive for January 2002
240 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:31:21 2002

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Report on visit with John Crouch



Stovers: 
    Being in John's neighborhood, and knowing of many valuable contributions that John Crouch has made to "stoves", I visited John in Sacramento on the 17th.  John's title is Director of Public Affairs for the Hearth, Patio, and Barbecue Association - the main trade association for North American wood stove businesses. I believe that John's activities include a lot on emissions regulations established by the US EPA.  Although John's office is in California, the main HPBA office is near Washington DC.
 
    John suggested we meet at a Sacramento stoves company called "The Solar Syndicate" - a store with a name that doesn't capture their main business of stoves.  There were dozens on display - with many operating.  John knew these stoves intimately and especially on the changes each manufacturer had made to meet or improve upon the US EPA standards.  Apparently these stove manufacturers have mostly gone away from their former approach of using catalytic converters - and now have more clever means of introducing secondary air (many holes in 2, 3, or 4 tubes along the upper stove ceiling). 
 
    The EPA standard is 7.5 gms per hour (4.1 for stoves with catalytic converters) - with US manufacturers achieving a better number - some down around 2.  The numbers Tami gave in Seattle were in units of gms per kg of fuel and I failed to record Tami's numbers for the stoves she tested.  John gave me a 1993 report done for the Oregon Department of Energy showing results for many different stove and (manufactured) fuel combinations.   I haven't absorbed all that data yet, but the EPA -approved stoves were about 10 times better on particulates and 3 times better on CO.  Here are some summary numbers just for cord wood in units of g/kg, g/hr, g/m3, g/Net MJ.  Note the weight of CO was much greater than the weight of particulates.
 
 Particulates
    Conventional uncertified wood stove - 36.25, 40.07, 1.843, 3.57
    EPA-Phase 2 Certified                      3.73, 5.21, .244,  .35
    Masonry fireplace                             25.7, 61.6,.125, >12.85
    Zero-Clearance Fireplace                  19.36,  44.85, 0.077, >9.2
 
CO
    Conventional uncertified wood stove -  180.96, 200.03, 9.391, 17.84
    EPA-Phase 2 Certified                        56.36, 78.9,  3.698,  5.31
    Masonry fireplace                               119.2, 285.5, 0.573, >59.58
    Zero-Clearance Fireplace                    100.89, 233.7, 0.403, >47.92
 
    The combustion efficiencies were 81.8, 94.8, 83.6, and 86.9 % respectively (with heat transfer efficiencies of about 60% - for space heating - for the first 2 and about 10% for the latter two). 
 
    The main body of the report was then for many different manufactured fuels (artificial logs) - and they were generally better than cord wood.
 
    I mention all this for several reasons:   First, for Tami to compare her results for the Rocket stove (presumably possible on all four bases)
    Second, to see if anyone else has simple cook stove numbers to report - so we can start developing a larger data base.
    Three, to point out the types of data we collect will need more discussion.  I am not sure which of the four measures is best for our purposes.
    Four, to call attention to the store of knowledge that exists with the commercial stove manufacturers (many in Europe) and the commercial certified testing laboratories - and with John himself.
    Five, to ask John and others who are aware of this store of knowledge to amend this brief report.
 
John says that the manufacturers have spent a lot of time tweaking their designs to pass the EPA tests.  There are mandatory loading protocols, with the harder ones to meet being those with low loadings.  The test protocol calls for a 15 foot chimney - which we will rarely have - and the results for a stove with a different chimney height after real-world installation can be very different.  Also, there are EPA rules for the separation (1.5 inches(?)) of the wood pieces from each other - that are also apt to diminish the results when the fires are stoked by typical homeowners.
 
At one time there were 6 labs doing these tests - but the number is now down to three.  In the early days of developing a methodology, all 6 labs tested the same stoves - and they slowly developed skill in getting similar results.  Apparently the European standards are not as well developed and so the North American standards are accepted in Europe.
 
    It was surprise to learn that John lived in Colorado for many years. John thinks there is some hope for getting some pro bono support from his industry - although most of the test data is considered confidential.  I could only glance at one test report for a stove company now out of business.
 
John and Tami:  any comments?  (and thanks to both for getting me started on the emissions measurements learning curve).
 
Ron