Re: Pictures !!

["Scott Willing" <willing@mb.sympatico.ca>]

Harmon,

I hadn't even noticed the message that actually inspired the protest, 
since it just happened to show up in my mailbox along with a bunch 
of other fairly large messages. Yeowch, no wonder there was a 
complaint.

I don't know where the fable about there being any difference 
between attaching and enclosing arose from... maybe just the vague 
idea that "attachments are bad". As you pointed out, it's the same 
data going down the same pipe.

To make matters worse, binary files -- basically anything but plain 
ASCII text, including images -- actually *increase* in size when sent 
as email. (If anyone really needs to know why, email me off-list. I 
won't take up further bandwidth with the details.) 

For a concrete example, those particular pictures total around 
380kB sitting on a disk, but they get puffed up to around 480kB in 
order to be transmitted as email.

We live and learn. I wasn't born knowing this stuff either. And when I 
was figuring it all out, a 1200 baud modem was considered pretty 
snappy hardware. :-)

-smw


Date sent:      	Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:30:11 -0600
From:           	Harmon Seaver <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>
To:             	willing@mb.sympatico.ca
Copies to:      	stoves@crest.org
Subject:        	Re: Pictures !!

>      Yes, but that was last one was actually 480KB. Or so says my 
> browser. And I think there have been numerous requests on both stoves 
> and gas-l to have the list owner simply block all attachments. It would 
> be a very simple thing to do, and likewise a very simple thing to create 
> a place on the website to send the pictures to instead. Frankly, I have 
> a hard time understanding why, especially given the international often 
> 3rd world nature of this list, attachments are allowed at all.
>     And although I have a dsl line here, I have myself experienced 
> sitting in a hotel room trying to get my email over a long distance 
> telephone line, and totally being unable to download *any* of my mail 
> because someone sent a picture to a list I was on. It simply is a bad 
> idea. That's what websites are for.
> 
> 
> Scott Willing wrote:
> 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > List members who posted the pictures took care to make them 
> > relatively small and invited comment specifically as to whether the 
> > size was a problem. They are clearly sensitive to the bandwidth 
> > issue.
> > 
> > My connection is very slow by North American standards (28.8k at 
> > best) and the pictures weren't a problem for me. But I know what it 
> > is like when someone casually attaches a Word document of 500kB 
> > or more (!!) without a second thought.
> > 
> > Sorry to hear that the pictures were a stress for you to receive. I'm 
> > afraid the only reasonable solution is to post pictures on a website 
> > somewhere and provide links, so that viewing is optional.
> > 
> > -Scott Willing
> > 
> > 
> > Date sent:      	Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +1100
> > To:             	stoves@crest.org
> > From:           	"ATprojects Inc." <atprojects@global.net.pg>
> > Subject:        	Pictures !!
> > 
> > 
> >>I live and work in Papua New Guinea where telephone connections are bad and
> >>speeds are slow, over the past few weeks members have been posting pictures
> >>as well as text .... maybe in the developed world this is useful but here
> >>in PNG it takes "hours" to down load these pictures !!
> >>
> >>May be we could have a system where members could request pictures?
> >>
> >>I do not want to leave the list as its useful to our work here, but the
> >>current system is not working for us ..... what do other people in the
> >>developing world think?
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>Steve Layton
> >>
> > 
> > 
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