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Stoves Archive for May 2002
102 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:31:37 2002

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Re: Carbon content/two pot sunken stove



Dear Crispin,
 
Thanks very much for the info on wood! I really appreciate your finding this so quickly and it does help move things ahead at Colorado State. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
 
Peter Scott, Aprovecho consultant, and I have been working on sunken two pot stoves for about a month now getting him ready to go to South Africa to teach. I posted a photo of one of the first prototypes a while back. In this type of stove two pots are sunk down to the level of the handles and a seal is made there in a sheet metal top so that all smoke remains in the stove and exits from a chimney. The benefits are that fuel efficiency rises dramatically as much more pot surface area is exposed to direct heat. Also the destructive heat, above say 900F. or so, is hitting the pots not a griddle so after a bit of design help even sheet metal should last a while. The second pot can boil at about the same time as the first if the heat contacts both pots simultaneously. Or if desired, heat can be directed, in our case in a Rocket combustion chamber, to the first pot which then boils faster leaving enough heat to simmer sauces in the second pot. Provision can be made as well to lift the pots to set levels exposing less of the pot to heat which is a secondary heat control besides feeding less wood into the fire. Depending on pot size this type of stove scores between 40 to 50% efficiency, using sheet metal (or tincanium), vermiculite, wood ash,  insulation, and forcing heat to pass the pots in 1/2" gaps. Peter created a oven that lies under the range from a five gallon square tin can. Heat is shunted around three sides of the can in a sheet metal one inch high duct, surrounded by insulation on all sides. A sliding door of sheet metal shuts the passage between the two pots forcing heat to follow the contour of the oven before exiting.
 
The negative side of such a stove is that the cold pots quench the fire creating soot and more smoke, as pointed out by Kirk Smith and Grant Ballard-Tremeer. I found that it was necessary to add much more air than usual to reduce smoke. Also using a higher than usual Rocket combustion chamber helps, say 14" instead of 10". This reduces over all efficiency but since heat transfer is so good it seemed like a good compromise to get cleaner burning. To avoid condensing harmful particles on enlarged pot surfaces it seems necessary to pay more attention to cleaning up combustion primarily.
 
I'll take a few photos of how the stove was constructed and post them here.
 
Best and thanks to Crispin once again,
 
Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: Crispin <crispin@newdawn.sz>
To: Stoves <stoves@crest.org>
Date: Saturday, May 25, 2002 1:48 AM
Subject: Carbon content

Dear Dean
 
I did find the following analyses done by Gottlieb:
 
                C               H             N              O            Ash      Calories      B.t.u.
Oak      50.16        6.02        0.09        43.36         0.37        4620        8316
Ash      49.18        6.27        0.07        43.91         0.57        4711        8480
Elm      48.99        6.20        0.06        44.25         0.50        4728        8510
Beech  49.06        6.11        0.09        44.17         0.57        4774        8591
Birch    48.88        6.06        0.10        44.67         0.29        4771        8586
Fir        50.36        5.92        0.05        43.39         0.28        5035        9063
Pine     50.31        6.20        0.04        43.08         0.37        5085        9153
 
Regards
Crispin