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Stoves Archive for May 2002
102 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:31:37 2002

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Re: Wood is wood, biomass is biomass, check the density



Stovers,

Below is my attempt to understand an earlier message.  My words might be very simplistic, and certainly common knowledge to anyone who ever had a university class on combustion (and some on the list serve are the professors of such classes).  But in the end, I think I ask a couple useful questions. 

Paul

At 06:24 AM 5/30/02 -0600, Tom Reed wrote:

From a practical viewpoint the real and bulk Volume energy density and Mass energy density  is MUCH more important in evaluating fuel value, handling difficulties, combustion properties etc.... 

More important than what?  I believe you refer to being more important than "the carbon content of the woods", but I would like confirmation of that  belief.

Tom also wrote:
For combustion (T >1200 C) the ash content and properties can be all important, less so for gasification (T < 1000 C), even less so for pyrolysis (T< 700 C). 

Teacher, please help the neophyte.  Am I correct is saying:
1)  that pyrolysis ("the chemical decomposition by heat," ala Webster dictionary) that occurs at temperatures (unstated minimum) up to about 700 C actually would not (or probably would not) product gases that would be driven off from the biomass fuel.   In other words, the biomass changes composition, but all of the molecules stay within the mass. 

2)  that gasification (where gases are created and liberated from biomass) occurs approximately between 700 C and 1000 C. 

3)  that what we regularly (commonly) think of as full "combustion" really only kicks in when the temperature gets above 1200 C. 

4)  And let me try to state how combustion is different from pyrolysis and gasification: 
   a)  clearly pyrolysis and gasification are occurring simultaneously with full combustion because they occur at lower temperatures that must be reached prior to combustion taking place.

  b)  The gases created by gasification can "combust", as is seen in the "secondary combustion" in a gasifier stove.  We note that char (as in charcoal, which is essentially just carbon) is a byproduct of that gasification process.  And I assume that the temperature of the flame of the secondary combustion is greater than 1200 C.  (Tom or others: What is the average temperature range of the flame of secondary combustion of the "typical" gases from gasifying of wood and other biomass?  And is that flame temperature similar to the temperature of burning LPG or other processed fuels used for cooking?)

  c)  Therefore, where Tom said "combustion", I want to break down that word (or get a better word) to refer to ONLY what happens as the temperature reaches and passes the 1200 C level.  I BELIEVE (please correct me if I am wrong) that we witness the change of the solid called carbon (as in the charcoal but also as in other carbon compounds) into gasses that, with a subsequent mix with oxygen, will yield CO and CO2 (and we gain the heat energy).  (I am sure there is a formula for this, but I am trying to understand it in less technical terms.)

  d)  Only then is any solid NON-combustible residue left behind, and we generally call that "ash".

So, when Tom wrote:
>For combustion (T >1200 C) the ash content and properties can be all important, less so for >gasification (T < 1000 C), even less so for pyrolysis (T< 700 C). 

he was also saying:  for the gasification process, the ash content and properties of biomass are less important. 

I would like to know "how much less important".  Multiple choice:
a.  not much less important
b.  meaningfully less important
c.  major-ly less important
d.  extremely less important.

I assume that the answers a,b,c,d will vary depending on the selected biomass (maybe).  So please comment on some main ones like:
wood products (twigs, chips, sawdust pellets, etc)
seed-hulls
other

My enquiry is rather qualitative, but someone might have quantitative data about this.  The issue at hand can have significant meaning concerning the usefulness of gasifier stoves.

Paul


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