New hydrogen engine... ???

["Tom Reed" <tombreed@attbi.com>]

Dear Crispin and All:

There are advantages and disadvantages to being older than God.

When I saw Crispin's message ...

>>there is a new type of hydrogen engine
> in development in South Africa which is about the size of a CPU for a
> desktop computer that puts out 130+ HP.  It has resolved a lot of the
> inherent problems of using hydrogen in an internal combustion engine: like
a
> very high flame speed and explosive firing rates.

my first reaction was

Now all we have to do is find a ready source of hydrogen at a cost < triple
that of any other fuel

Find a good way to store it

And a good way to ship it.

On mature reflection I decided that the whole thing must be hype.  If we are
talking a heat engine with < 60% efficiency, disposing of the other 40% heat
will still take a car sized radiator for 130 + HP.  That's a LARGE CPU fan!

So, I'll believe it when I see it (and check out hidden pipes, energy
supplies etc).

Hydrogen has been highly touted since about 1970 when the "Hydrogen Economy"
was touted as the answer to what fuel to use when we had electricity "too
cheap to meter" from nuclear power.  And still it is just around the corner.


~~~~~~~
While I have my skeptical hat on, I'm still waiting for ethanol from
cellulose hydrolysis after 80 years of hearing announcements of
breakthroughs.  (No, I'm not 80 yet, but some of the books I read are....)

Your healthy skeptic,

TOM REED                  BEF GASWORKS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crispin" <crispin@newdawn.sz>
To: "Stoves" <stoves@crest.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Biomass to Hydrogen Report Web Address


> Dear Stovers
>
> For those who are interested to know, there is a new type of hydrogen
engine
> in development in South Africa which is about the size of a CPU for a
> desktop computer that puts out 130+ HP.  It has resolved a lot of the
> inherent problems of using hydrogen in an internal combustion engine: like
a
> very high flame speed and explosive firing rates.  I think it must have an
> octane rating of about 1! (but I don't know).
>
> Anyway, viable internal combusion for mechanical power from a pretty
common
> raw material is very good news.  The engine is up and running.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
>
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