Fwd: FYI: Roundup (and risks)

[Carefreeland@aol.com]

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• To: hseaver@cybershamanix.com
• Subject: Re: FYI: Roundup (and risks)
• From: Carefreeland@aol.com
• Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 03:28:36 EDT
• Full-name: Carefreeland

Harmon, 
       OK, you take the poison Ivy since you are blessed not to be allergic 
to it.  I am as well. Just a little rash on broken skin is the worst I've had 
in years. 
       For those persons like my wife and daughter who after years of 
exposure still come down with serious symptoms, I believe that the risks of 
roundup are much less. Usually she gets it from secondary exposure to my 
clothes. Or just being in the area of it when it is most active like this 
time of year. 
       If you read those reports you sent, it is the carrier in the old 
formulation which has had the problem with dioxin. As does many chemicals 
made in the last 100 years. If you use old steel you are using metal often 
machined with lubricants and cooling fluids containing PCB's-how far do you 
want to stretch this? 
       Everyday I take a risk while walking through the woods that a tree 
will fall on my head. I know of a case where a young boy was killed that way 
on school property.  I am doing lot clearing to salvage biomass energy, and I 
think the chainsaw related risks are a bigger worry.  Using the automobile is 
the greatest risk we face everyday -- do you still drive?  Or cross the road 
for that matter?
       Many natural chemicals, plants and animals are also very toxic or 
dangerous. How about the persons who die from a bee sting?  We have 
copperheads, brown recluse and black widow spiders, rabies, and tetanus all 
waiting to kill us every day.
       How about natural toxins in meat and poultry?  Salmonella is nothing 
to sneeze at.  Are you a vegetarian? OK, what about toxins in molds and 
fungi?  What do you drink?  Radioactive particles still circle the earth from 
nuke tests years ago and settle everywhere.  Then again, volcanos also emit 
many of the same particles.  If you go into a basement, you are exposed to 
radon gas. 
       How many of those guys listed as having stomach problems from roundup 
simply forgot to eat breakfast or drink water in the hot sun?  I have run a 
landscape business for 22 years and my workers have done pretty stupid 
things.  Usually the stomach problems are the result of a hangover. How many 
toxic chemicals are in alcoholic beverages?  I have respiratory problem 
walking through a field of pollinating grasses, yet I mow grass for a living. 

       Life is a balance of risks, and most of them we are unaware of.  Every 
one is allergic to something -- for me it is of all things, wild morning 
glory.  People have been dying of cancer for eternity, most of it not 
diagnosed until recently.  I will be the first to agree that mans chemical 
exposure has been excessive over the last 100 years    
        My dad died at 46 of a heart attack, probably caused by bad eating 
habits while growing up as a poor child.  Being poor carries a great risk. My 
Dad was a chemist in the service, exposed to the worst of the worst 
chemicals, was that what killed him? 
       Maybe you missed Tom Reeds mention of chimney sweeps and the 
relationship to cancer from natural woodstove tars. How much of the world 
breathes them? 
       Thank you for the excellent information not found on the Roundup 
Label.  
       What I want to know, is what you will do as you get on in life and the 
doctor starts to prescribe all of those drugs with multiple side effects?  Is 
it easier to just be in pain or die?  Your choice.  I don't think anybody 
would use anything "unnatural" if it didn't have a benefit.  
       If you want to cut every tree and pull every weed by hand that is your 
choice, I would go broke trying to make a living that way.  For those of us 
that are trying to get through life with a minimum of risk for the 
effort-roundup still looks like a good alternative.  Much better than the 2, 
4, D, I would otherwise use. (and still do) Much better than the DDT (now 
banned) my father used on his house when my sister was stung by a scorpion in 
Texas.  Better than the chlordane (now banned) still keeping many houses from 
falling from termite damage. Much better than silvex (now banned), diazanon, 
dursban (on their way out), and many other chemicals I have used over my 
lifetime. 
       I would like greenpeace to tell me how to live my life with less risks 
while sharing the planet with about 6 billion people.  They are quick to 
criticise without suggesting a better alternative which is as effective.  
What is a safe lifestyle? 
        I have worked on the first water wellfield protection ordinance in 
the country out of the same concerns you have Harmon.  My concern was the 
millions of gallons of untreated toxic PCB's, Dioxin, and other industrial 
pollutants landfilled right in my home town.  Those chemicals were used to 
make your car, build the cash register  you put your money into everyday, 
even make the pop top can that you recycle.  How about that computer you are 
using?  Was it made from natural materials? 
        I don't want your pollution in my drinking water so I did something 
about it.  Tell us how you avoid these chemicals in your life. Just do it in 
another forum so those who focus on biomass energy can keep finding safer 
ways to cook and heat.  
       Good luck and thank you for informing us, 
       Daniel Dimiduk 

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