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Stoves Archive for September 2002
189 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:31:51 2002

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RE: Gel Fuel




The carbohydrate in the Grain will be converted to alcohol but the proteins
remain.

The question is should we be feeding grazing animals high protein
supplements?

_ at least grain derived is better than animal derived as we had here in the
UK until various food scares and foot & Mouth knocked some sense back into
the farming industry- this included Agrochemical manufacturers and
legislators and is NOT a knock on British Farmers who are working in a
strangely contorted market.
For this list surely the question is more to do with available feedstock,
and best conversion efficiency.
Is Wood Methanol lower energy to manufacture than grain Ethanol?
Kg/kg which fuel has the best CV and burning characteristics?
Can it be made locally? Safely?
Should the grain be cooked on methanol stoves and eaten by people? Or should
wood be cooked over ethanolstoves....? -to sell the charcoal ;-)

Cheers
Gavin
-----Original Message-----
From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:hseaver@cybershamanix.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 13:35
To: Ray Wijewardene
Cc: owen@africaonline.co.ke; stoves@crest.org
Subject: Re: Gel Fuel

On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 05:44:01PM -0600, Ray Wijewardene wrote:

(much snipped)

> in the human body! Ethanol, however, is distilled from starches, grain and
> other consumable vegetative matter and is the base of all 'hooch'. Maybe
> your 'eco-friendly' designation might well apply here... but whatever is
> converted to ethanol or grain-alchohol deprives some animal of that
> food-grain.

    Not so! The ethanol process leaves a very high-protein animal feed,
usually
marketed under the name of "brewer's grain", so you get just as much food as
you
would from the original crop.
 Also see: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html



(rest snipped)



--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com

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    • Re: Gel Fuel
      • From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>