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FW: From Crispin at New Dawn Engineering, Swaziland
I decided to leave all of the following dialog - although only Bob's first
part is really well thought out. The rest will give you a little background
on Crispin's visit to Addis. I repeat that I am very impressed by this stove
development work in Eritrea and Ethiopia. Remember that these are two of
the poorest countries on the earth - and some very good stoves development
work is going on. If anyone can describe more the work of esd, that would
be a help also.
One comment on the dialog - Bob has not yet understood Crispin's stove -
which is not one for use of charcoal.
To Bob - could you tell us more about costs - and where you found the
toughest challenges to drive the cost down?
To Both: Way near the end, Crispin uses the acronym CDM. From a Google
search, I am guessing this is Clean Development Mechanism - which is part of
the UNFCCC (UN Framework Convention on Climate Change). I don't believe I
have seen this on "stoves" - and am only vaguely familiar with what is
possible. Should stoves people all over be pushing for inclusion? I see
there is a meeting in Delhi at the end of this month - should we be
watching? Anyone on list know of a way to exploit the CDM for stove
introductions - as may be happening in Eritrea?
Thanks to Bob for a very complete report and set of leads.
From: Robert Van Buskirk [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:41 PM
To: Ron Larson
Cc: Robert Van Buskirk; Crispin; Margaret Pemberton-Pigott; Brian Hill
Subject: Re: From Crispin at New Dawn Engineering, Swaziland
I think it would be better for the list if I just provided an
explicit update. Let me write one now, and then I will be doing
a visit to Eritrea in December/January and I can do another then.
Dear Stove List:
This is an update on the efficient stove activities in Eritrea,
East Africa with some reference to activities in Ethiopia.
In Eritrea and Ethiopia, the largest use of household energy
is in cooking the traditional bread injera. And this has been
the focus of activities in both countries.
In Eritrea the efficient stove work is organized by the
Energy Research and Training Center (ERTC) of the Eritrean
Department of Energy. The Eritrean Department of energy
secures funding from a variety of sources and then organizes
trainings and stove building programs in villages around the
country. The stove is in in-built stove with a chimney, a lower
air inlet, that feeds into the bottom of a ceramic grate.
that forms the floor of a round firebox. On top of the
round firebox is a flat cooking plate (about 60 cm in
diameter) on which the injera is cooked. The firebox has a
door that allows one to put the fuel in the firebox.
The activities of the Eritrean stove programs have recently
been picked up by Reuters, see for example:
which describes that the Eritrean government is setting the
target of converting all households to the new fuel efficient
stoves. The first village-level pilot tests were in November
1999, and they have expanded to the point where over 5000 households
in 25 villages have been converted and over 200 stove artisans
have been trained. New stoves are being built at the rate of
a few thousand per year. This needs to grow to many tens of
thousandsper year to convert the country to the more efficient
In support of these activities, we (the non-profit Eritrean
Technical Exchange Project) have done some studies to
technically support carbon credit funding. Two versions of
these studies are at:
The Eritrean government is pursuing Kyoto Clean Development
Mechanism carbon credit funding as one possible funding path.
Preliminary indications are that there will be some small
For the Eritrean stoves, the health and comfort benefits
appear to be more important than the fuel savings benefits.
Researchers at the ERTC are constantly revising and refining
the stove design.
I try to keep some studies, reports and updates at:
for your reference. Suggestions on the type of information
that would be useful for stove efficiency folks is welcome.
We have another collaborative visit to Eritrea planned for
In Ethiopia, work on the mogogo-type stove is described at:
and additional work on the jiko-type stove is also being
pursued as described at:
Ethiopia is taking a private sector approach with much
of the activity concentrated in the capital, Addis Ababa,
while Eritrea is taking a government facilitated approach
with the bulk of the activity occuring in rural villages.
I think it will be interesting for the members of the
stoves list to compare and contrast the Eritrean and
Ethiopian approaches as both of these programs evolve.
Our next initiative at the Eritrea Technical Exchange
will be to provide assistance to the Eritrean Department
of Energy in piloting ultraviolet water disinfection
technology as a complement to its stove promotion work.
for a description of that technology. Our estimate is
that stove work and water disinfection work are complementary
and comparable technology transfer activities for a
national program aimed at raising the village-level
standard of living.
I hope you find this informative and useful.
Robert Van Buskirk
Ron Larson wrote:
> Hi all - I am anxious that the good work of both Robert and Crispin be
> exposed to the stoves list. How do you all feel about my editing a bit
> giving your dialog wider circulation?
> Bob - thanks especially for your complete reply - especially on esd. Are
> you now on "stoves" or not? Still very busy?
> I obviously missed something on carbon credits - and am amazed
> happening on that line in Eritrea. Is that a first for stoves? Have you
> seen our discussion several weeks back on the topic of charcoal
> sequestration? Is this a professional interest at LBL also?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Van Buskirk [mailto:email@example.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:04 PM
> To: Crispin
> Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org; Margaret Pemberton-Pigott;
> Subject: Re: From Crispin at New Dawn Engineering, Swaziland
> Dear Crispin:
> Thank you for the email, you are doing very good work.
> But reviewing your stove, you may have several difficulties introducing
> it in Ethiopia.
> First, the big fuel user in Eritrea is the mogogo stove for cooking
> injera, not a stove for cooking in pots or bread which are your
> current designs.
> See figure 2 of:
> for the in-built stove. It is not really clear, but there should
> be a chimney, and the rectangle below the stove is an air inlet.
> The round lid covers a flat cooking plat (which currently is clay,
> because it cooks better quality injera.
> Your stove is applicable to about 1/4 to 1/3 of household cooking
> energy use in Ethiopia.
> Perhaps your stove would be best applied to charcoal-based cooking
> in the better-off households in urban areas.
> Carbon credit funding is a long process, where you need the active
> support of a government agency. It will probably take you up to
> 2-5 years to establish the relationship with the government
> agency that would facilitate the carbon credit trading. Also
> trading volumes are low. So it is uncertain if you would get a
> lot of funding.
> In Eritrea, the Eritrean Department of Energy is 100% behind the
> project and it will probably be successful in initially getting
> a few tens of thousands of income through carbon credit trading
> for stoves. If this can increase to hundreds of thousands or
> a few million per year of revenues is unclear.
> Secondly, your stove will need to deliver better
> price performance from a Jiko-type stove that they introduced
> a while ago, or an efficient mogogo that they had been working
> on a few years ago.
> A web site on the charcoal stove work in Ethiopia is at:
> And the mogogo stove is described at:
> It appears to be a fast-growing enterprise, so that you
> can probably carve out a profitable niche.
> You should also meet with the Ethiopian Ministry of Mines
> and Energy.
> I hope this helps.
> Robert Van Buskirk
> Crispin wrote:
> > Dear Robert
> > I am the manager of a couple of little AT companies in Swaziland which
> > been looking into wood stoves. We are now making a pretty good unit
> > is called the Shisa Stove (for the moment - until the marketing guys get
> > chance to name it something saleable).
> > We have been getting plaudits since the Summit in JHB for this device
> > is a wood/ charcoal/biomass briquette/dung fired single sunken-pot stove
> > with pre-heated primary and secondary air. It is being incorporated
> > the ongoing ProBEC programme immediately in 6 countries and I am of
> > introducing it into Swaziland. We have a renewable energy association
> > (I am the treasurer at the moment) which is promoting fuel efficient
> > I understand that the demands in the Ethiopian environment are similar
> > some respects and not in others.
> > There is a now project stating in Addis under the BTG people (Robert
> > v.d.Plas etc) and he happens to be in town this week on holiday. He has
> > asked me to take one stove to Piet Visser (at the Ghion (sp?) Hotel) to
> > how they might use it.
> > I am not sure how they treat new technologies fromn private companies
> > anyway I wil bring one to leave in town perhaps with a contracted
> > manufacturer.
> > It so happens that my wife Margaret email@example.com is in
> > at the moment giving training courses. I will join her next week.
> > you could call her if you are actually still in Ethiopia.
> > or 00251-1-61-32-86.
> > Robert met with her a few weeks ago. Not all the information he
> > me agrees with what I saw on your site, and frankly, you and I seem to
> > more.
> > We are trying to commercialize the stove in Johannesburg as soon as we
> > It will retail in the $20 range, and will hopefully be manufactured in
> > thousands. It is based on a 25 litre pail as the stove body.
> > It would be great if we could meet while I am in Addis, but I am only
> > from the 22nd to the 1st of Nov. And much of that time is locked down.
> > It is my great hope to get together a CDM project for the introduction
> > wood and coal stoves in Southern Africa. It looks daunting at this
> > having hefted the documents. Are these things possible to get funded?
> > You can see a bit of what we are doing at www.newdawn-engineering.com
> > see the Stove tests, Basintuthu Tests for a pic of the second-last
> > manifestation of the single pot stove.
> > Stay well!
> > Sincerely
> > Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
> > firstname.lastname@example.org
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