Re: vegetable oil as fuel

["Das" <das@eagle-access.net>]

Harmon 

Regardless of the original fuel of diesel engines ( I have some friends who
say the original fuel was hempseed oil), the important point is that
biodiesel (fat esters) burn significantly cleaner in opacity, soot than
either unmodified vegetable oil or petroleum diesel.

It is sad that the UK is sending out "Fryer Sniffs".  If anything,
biodiesel fuel should recieve a subsidy rather than a tax. 

The use of unmodified vegetable oil as a diesel fuel is more polluting,
lazy and a terrible idea. J. & K. Tikell's book is far too kind on the
subject.

A. Das
Original Sources/Biomass Energy Foundation
Box 7137, Boulder, CO 80306
das@eagle-access.net

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> From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>
> To: Tom Reed <tombreed@attbi.com>
> Cc: Stoves <Stoves@crest.org>; bioenergy <bioenergy@crest.org>
> Subject: Re: vegetable oil as fuel
> Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 8:28 AM
> 
>   No, it's not new at all. I bought the Tickell book a few years ago, but
> actually, the original design by Diesel was for vegetable oil as fuel.
Too bad
> they got so far off track, eh?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 08:06:28AM -0600, Tom Reed wrote:
> > Dear Harmon et al:
> > 
> > I began work on biodiesel from waste oil in 1989 and we tested RTD
buses in
> > 1990, finding that a 10% blend with diesel significantly lowered
particulate
> > emissions while 100% removed them altogether.
> > 
> > Unfortunately the USDA wasn't interested in waste oil biodiesel at
> > potentially $1gal, but preferred to promote virgin oil BD at $2-3/gal.
> > Politics screws up energy mostly.
> > 
> > Recently a biodiesel pump has opened in SanFrancisco.  Read about it at
> > http://www.crest.org/articles/static/1/990823544_6.html
> > 
> > A lot of the most recent discussions here are just the latest
rediscovery of
> > old data and we have better things to do.  See
http://www.biodiesel.org/.
> > There is an excellent book, "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank", by J and
K
> > Tickell (friends of mine who passed through GOlden 5 years ago before
> > starting a career in BD).  Available from them at 
http://www.veggievan.org/
> > or from my BEF Press at www.woodgas.com for $25.
> > 
> >  If you'd like to make some in your kitchen, see
> > http://www.woodgas.com/biodies.htm on my website.
> > 
> > I'm planning to operate my new VW Jetta Turbo Diesel on pure biodiesel
in
> > the next few weeks.
> > 
> > Biodiesel is a great fuel, but not as new as some here think.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>
> > To: "Lanny Henson" <lanny@roman.net>
> > Cc: <Stoves@crest.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: vegetable oil as fuel
> > 
> > 
> > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:28:26AM -0700, Lanny Henson wrote:
> > > > SOMETHING DOES not seem right about those numbers.
> > >
> > >    Usually the Wall Street Journal is pretty accurate. Perhaps you
should
> > do
> > > some research. You'll find the numbers are good.
> > >
> > > > According to my business
> > > > listings there are 382,956 restaurants in this country.
> > >
> > >    I'd say that number is pretty low. But it's also not just from
> > restaurants,
> > > you have to add in all the schools, colleges, hospitals, and other
> > institutions
> > > like prisons, etc.
> > >
> > > > Now you said that
> > > > restaurants waste grease is about 3, 000,000,000 lb per year. That
would
> > > > average 7834 pounds per year or 150 lbs a week! I don't think so.
> > > > I do think Harmon is closer with his estimate that one or two
> > restaurants
> > > > could fuel a car for A WEEK.
> > >
> > >    No, no -- I can get enough on average from one or two each week to
> > provide
> > > *all* the fuel I need. There's no point in arguing about it, plenty
of
> > people
> > > are doing it already, it's really not debatable.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think that should be gallons, not pounds - that would only be
about
> > > > > 300 million gallons, way too low. Anyway, a very large amount of
WVO
> > > > > is most definitely dumped into landfills in the US, and into
sewers.
> > > >
> > > > MAYBE IN NEW YORK BUT NOT HERE IN MY AREA. BUT ANYWAY I AM ALL FOR
USING
> > IT
> > > > AS FUEL.
> > >
> > >    You can do it anywhere. I sure don't live in a big city.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Harmon didn't say he hates the USA, by the way. However, that's
the
> > > > > way most of the people in the world seem to see it, including
nearly
> > > > > all the former US allies (with the exception of Israel and, to a
> > > > > lesser extent, Australia).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WHERE ARE YOU getting you information. Most of the free world knows
that
> > we
> > > > are doing the right thing.
> > >
> > >    Oh dear!
> > >
> > > > I know that there is a lot of anti American
> > > > sentiment out there but most of that is due to envy not something
we
> > did.
> > >
> > >   Hardly. Mostly it's our foreign policy for the last 50 years. I'm
always
> > > reminded of the the book "The Ugly American". It would probably be
> > interesting
> > > to reread it at this point.
> > >
> > > > Most common sense people out there know that we are the good guys.
We
> > have
> > > > made great sacrifices to liberate the oppressed and will continue
to do
> > so.
> > > > The people of Iraq are suffering, Sadam has got to go.
> > >
> > >    Interesting that we're so concerned about the suffering of people
in
> > Iraq --
> > > what other countries have we invaded to stop the suffering? North
Korea?
> > Uganda
> > > under Idi Amin? Rwanda during their recent genocide? Burma? South
> > > Africa? Hmm. Oh yes, weapons of mass destruction. Gee, I wonder why
we
> > didn't
> > > invade India and Pakistan when they were developing nukes. Or Russia.
Or
> > China,
> > > or ...
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Harmon Seaver
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> Harmon Seaver	
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