Re: Noorie Lantern/Generator

[nariphaltan <nariphaltan@sancharnet.in>]

Dear Tom and all,

Thanks for your comments. I have done some work on it and will write in
detail about it in a day or two. Just came back from an out of town visit.

Regards.

Dr. Anil K. Rajvanshi
Director
Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute
P.O.Box 44, Phaltan - 415523
Maharashtra, INDIA
Ph: 91-2166-22396/20945

http://www.nariphaltan.org
http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net
E-mail:nariphaltan@sancharnet.in
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Reed" <tombreed@attbi.com>
To: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>; "Crispin"
<crispin@newdawn.sz>; "Shivayam Ellis" <shivayam55@hotmail.com>; "Katherine
Cochrane" <kcochrane@earthlink.net>; "Paul DeBruicker"
<pdebruic@mgmt.purdue.edu>
Cc: "Stoves" <stoves@crest.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:18 PM
Subject: Noorie Lantern/Generator


> Dear Harmon, Anil  and all:
>
> I like the idea of adding a thermoelectric generator to the Noorie
Lantern.
> How did Anil Rajvanshi, the inventor of Noorie, get off this list?  He has
> probably considered this and it's either in the works or rejected.  Lets
> hear....
>
> Of necessity, the Wellsbach Mantle light source rejects heat at >1500 C,
so
> there is plenty of heat still available for conversion.
>
> ~~~~~~~
> The "light" generation technology Harmon referred to is called
> "thermophotovoltaic" and they are working on it at the National Renewable
> Energy Lab, NREL.  In fact they have been working on it for many years, at
> least since 1994 (see http://www.er.com/publications.htm).  Maybe need to
> rename it the National Renewable Job Lab, since they aren't very focused
on
> getting research out to the market place.
>
> Onward..          TOM REED                  BEFGASWORKS
>
>
>
> Dr. Thomas B. Reed
> 1810 Smith Rd., Golden, CO 80401
> tombreed@attbi.com; 303 278 0558 Phone/Fax
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver@cybershamanix.com>
> To: "Crispin" <crispin@newdawn.sz>
> Cc: "Stoves" <stoves@crest.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 7:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Noorie Lantern
>
>
> > Crispin;
> >    Do a google search on thermoelectric generator. There are a multitude
> of
> > companies working on these, with quite a few actually for sale, and the
> prices
> > are dropping rapidly. For instance, here's just one of many where you
can
> buy
> > these today. http://www.hi-z.com/  This is also the website that shows a
> 1kw
> > unit composed of many of the smaller cells
> http://www.hi-z.com/websi07.htm
> >    There is also a sister technology that uses the *light* from a flame,
> not the
> > heat, which is also undergoing rapid development. Can't think of what
it's
> > called at the moment (I'm only on my first cup of tea this am).
> >    I think generally these technologies are expected to rival prices for
> > solarelectric or undercut them shortly.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 10:57:10AM +0200, Crispin wrote:
> > > Dear Lantern users and lovers
> > >
> > > I had a look at the page linked and I have one comment (other than you
> guys are all on the rright track):
> > >
> > > I see that a comparison is made with the florescent tube which comes
off
> looking very good compared with all the other options.  However, there is
no
> mention made of a 'coiled' florescent tube that fits into a regular light
> socket.  They are very efficient and present a possible future for rural
> India.
> > >
> > > In Southern Africa these bulbs, which cost a great deal of money -
about
> $7 are promoted as an answer to energy comsumption as they last for ages
and
> consume very little power.  I am not sure if it is true but it seems that
> they are about 35% efficient, maybe more.
> > >
> > > It is not possible to use a wick of some material that instead of
> emitting light, emits charged particles that are able to 'light up'
> florescent white powders?  That way the burning fuel (whatever it is)
could
> heat a wick that emits particles efficiently in the range that in turn
> drives a florescent tube.
> > >
> > > The tube could be something like a hollow pipe, meaning a
double-walled
> one with an air-evacuated centre portion.  The florescent coating would be
> in the outside of the inside surface.  This would slip over the present
> mantle and pick up radiation.
> > >
> > > This type of two-stage excitation would give light from the original
> flame, the rare earth mantle and the florescing powder.
> > >
> > > It also appear to me that burning anything cleverly (like producer
gas)
> might be able to produce a conductive plasma that will allow for something
> clever to be done between stacked plates, such as generate enough power to
> charge a cell phone.  Charging phones is a major problem in rural areas
> where coverage by radion is far easier to get than power to charge the
> phones.
> > >
> > > A lantern that charges a phone (very low power requirement) would sell
> imediately, whether or not it was pressurized at 2kg/cm^2 or much less.
> > >
> > > Are there metal stacks available that will generate 6 VDC?  What
> happened to that talk last year about a stove in the western USA that was
to
> produce 1Kw?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Crispin
> >
> > --
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