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Stoves Archive for November 2002
126 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:32:03 2002

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stove for charbriquettes



 
 
[Ron Larson]   For new stoves list members, we should say that Paul Hait developed a charcoal using system in which the "pillow" type briquette was carefully placed vertically in slots and in rows in such a way as to get the radiation from one impinging on another - with good air flow.  I don't recall the percent reduction in charcoal consumption - but it might have been a factor of four or five.  He also used stainless steel (reflective) parts and a clever fold-up design to get higher efficiencies and user convenience.
        Paul's question is important in "holey" (or "honeycomb") briquettes, because the same principal of getting good use out of the radiated energy (inside the holes as opposed to going off to be absorbed in something other than the cook pot) helps improve combustion enormously.
    In your case, what is the diameter of the 13 vertical holes?
The studs in the mold that create the holes are 5 mm thick. The holes may be slightly wider due to shrinkage during drying.
    How does this diameter change during a run?
We haven't really observed. They may get a bit wider as the char burns.
    Is there a brittle "ash" skeleton remaining at the end? Yes
    How long does a single briquette last?  (presumably one being long enough for cooking the meal you describe).
It takes about 45 to 50 minutes to cook the beans. Rice cooks earlier, but it doesn't get charred if left in the cooker for a longer period. The briquette generally burns upto about an hour.
    Could you make one twice as tall to cook for twice as long?  (In a different culture)
The dimensions of the briquette can be changed by changing the mold.  However, it must be noted that charcoal does not produce a flame like wood.  Therefore the pot must sit very close to the briquette with just enough gap for flue gases to escape.
       Is there a "haybox" effect also? (some cooking after the single charcoal briquette is consumed?)
Yes, there is. We  found that one can cook a meal with even 70 grams of charbriquettes, which is most probably due to the hot box effect.
    Could you describe how lighting is achieved?
We use wax coated paper strips, which burn for about 2-3 minutes, producing a relatively tall flame. After placing the briquette on the grate of the stove, a couple of these strips are ignited below the grate. This is enough to ignite the briquette.
    Approximately how high above the briquette do the flames appear - and how does this distance change during a single cooking?
Charcoal does not produce flames like wood. There is just a faint bluish glow coming out of each hole in the briquette. After about half an hour, the bluish colour changes to red. The pot is placed just 1.5 cm above the briquette.
    What are the prices of all of the components of the system - including for a single briquette?
The stove and cooker system consisting of a charcoal burning stove, the cooker pot with lid, three cookpots slung in a wire cage, and the sleeve that surrounds the cooker and the stove, together cost Rs.350. Except for the stove, all parts are made of stainless steel. The briquettes cost Rs.7 per kg to the consumer. The villager gets Rs. 5 per kg. 1US$=Rs.48.
    What lifetime do you expect for the charcoal burner?  (presumably the cookpot portion is much longer-lived)
About 5 years in dry weather conditions.  On the coast, with high humidity and salty air, the mild steel corrodes very fast, and the life of such a stove could be just 6 months. We are encouraging some of our potter friends to make a suitable stove out of terra cotta.
    Will this particular pot and shield be available for export to interested members of "stoves"? at what price?
Yes, we are keenly interested in exporting. We would be happy to get the same price as above, but the consumer in a foreign country would have to pay more due to the transport, packaging, customs duty and local distribution costs. The price would have to be calculated separately for each country, taking the above factors into consideration.
   
   The answer is "no", because with a single honeycomb briquette, no arrangement is possible.  When we were using the cylindrical (extruded) briquettes, be just weighed 100 grams of them and put a single layer of briquettes spread evenly on the grate of the stove.
We use grain starch as binder.  The flour fallen on the floor of a flour mill is swept and sold by the mill operator at a price of Rs. 2 per kg (Rs.50 per US$). The cost of the char is Rs. 3 per kg. Because the flour is not costlier than the char, there is no restriction on the quantity of the flour. We boil about 400 g of flower in 1.5 litres of water and mix it thoroughly with 1 kg char to make a dough.  This dough is filled into the briquette mold and the briquettes are dried in the sun
[Ron Larson]   Does this mean that you might have a wet mix of about 2.9 kg - going to a dry batch of  maybe 1.5 + kg - so this recipe might give 15-20 briquettes - with a raw material cost of about 5 rupees or US 10 cents - so one briquette (one meal) has a raw material cost of less than 2/3 cent?
 1 kg char and 400 g flour would together weigh 1400 grams. After sun drying, we expect the briquettes to retain about 8 to 10% moisture. This calculates to about 15 briquettes from this dough. As stated above, the price payable to the villager who makes the briquettes is Rs. 5 per kg (about 10 US Cents) and the housewife in a city would get it at Rs. 7 per kg (bout 14 US Cents). Therefore, a single briquette weighing 100 grams would cost a tenth of this.
 
Our stove is a commercially available charcoal burning stove, made of mild steel sheets. The stove is 11 cm tall. The cooker consists of a stainless steel container, about 21 cm tall and 18 cm wide, closed with a lid, which is not too tight. The gaps between the container and the lid allow steam to escape. Inside the cooker, three cook pots are stacked one on top of the other, so that three things (rice, beans and vegetables) can be cooked simultaneously. The cooker sits on the stove with a gap of about 12 mm between the burning briquette and the bottom of the cooker pot.  The cooker and the stove are together enclosed in a vertical stainless steel sleeve, about 29 cm tall and 19 cm wide.  There is thus a gap of about 5 mm between the cooker and the sleeve, through which the flue gases pass. 
[Ron Larson] :  We have talked often about the optimality of this 5 mm dimension.  Any experimental data? None so far. But in some of the prototypes, where the gap was wider, it took more fuel to complete the cooking.
    Have you measured the output temperature of the exhaust gases? No.
        Same for temperature of the outermost wall? No.
    If we knew the weight loss per unit time (presumably higher at first?), we could estimate the power output levels.  There are several on the list who could do this measurement quickly using their balancing scales.
We too can do it, but it would have to be done without the water or the food in the cookpots, because the system would also be losing water vapour.
 
 (RWL):  I believe there is much to be learned from your geometry - and hope others will try similar geometries.  This is a very high efficiency being reported - and possibly is very clean as well - given the high temperatures that are likely being achieved because of the honeycomb nature of the briquette. 
    (AD - we look forward also to hearing about emissions at some time.  I'll bet they also look very good.)
The system is very clean. Housewifes in the cities are very happy with this system, because it is almost as clean as cooking with kerosene or LPG and at a much lower cost.
 
 The top 4 cm of the cooker are not covered by the sleeve, because the cooker is provided with two small handles that are attached to the sides of the cooker at this height.These handles allow the cooker pot to be lifted out of the sleeve.
The efficiency was tested by the usual water boiling test.  The housewives who used the cooker were also astonished by the fuel economy of this stove.  Using a traditional wood burning cookstove, a housewife would have to use 3 kg wood to cook the three items mentioned above.
We have no means of controlling the air flow. We may be able to increase or reduce the power output of the stove by using more or less of the fuel.
Yours A.D.Karve
[Ron Larson]:
      Have you tried (or could you try) cooking with two briquettes of half-height?
    Might power level control then be possible by rotating one briquette relative to the other?
    In Johannesburg, the GTZ folk were showing an example of the "punch-out" "Turbo" stove from Finland that we have discussed on this list a few times. (Incidentally -very nice looking product that comes shipped in a big flat (pretty heavy) box.)   It had a very clever air flow control (that I had not previously noticed) by rotating one set of holes relative to another.  You might be able to do this same with the briquettes to achieve power control.
This can be tried, but with a charcoal fire there is always the danger of producing carbon monoxide by choking off the air supply. There is absolutely no smoke, but we shall have to measure the carbon monoxide levels in the kitchen with our system.
 
AD Thanks and congratulations again - for what I think must be the world record.  I believe this is better than my electric range.   Ron
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Larson <ronallarson@qwest.net>
To: A.D. Karve <adkarve@pn2.vsnl.net.in>; THodson@aol.com <THodson@aol.com>
Cc: Paul S. Anderson <psanders@ilstu.edu>; stoves@crest.org <stoves@crest.org>
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kilns

A.D
 
1.    Thanks for sending this interesting story on.   Not a permanent problem - hopefully, just a new point to add to your educational program.  Old ideas die hard.
 
 
2.  What are the dimensions and weight of your briquettes?  (Number making up 100 g?)
 
3.  You probably said this earlier - but what is your recommended binder formula?
 
4.  You have described your new stove previously, but I think it needs a repeat - as 70% is just fantastic.  Congratulations!!  
 
5.  I do not recall anyone claiming this high an efficiency value.  I believe you have incorporated what we might call a "convection-enhancing-sleeve" which is probably key to this high value   What is the gap width and height you have chosen in the model now in production?  What is the method of measurement?
 
6. Do you have any means of controlling air flow and power level of this stove design? 
 
 
7. It is becoming more clear all the time that the Ashden award people made a wise choice.
 
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: A.D. Karve [mailto:adkarve@pn2.vsnl.net.in]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:20 AM
To: THodson@aol.com
Cc: Paul S. Anderson; stoves@crest.org
Subject: Re: Kilns

Dear Tom and Paul,
I spent the last four days at Phaltan, looking at the charring kilns installed by ARTI at various sites.  The operators in most cases are unemployed rural youth.  After demonstrating the process to them on our own kiln they were provided with a kiln of their own, and they were asked to char sugarcane leaves in their own villages.  In all the cases, they had unofficial advisers, who had already made charcoal using the traditional kilns.  In the traditional process, the biomass to be charred is loaded into a kiln and ignited.  One has to regulate the air supply very judiciously in order to have the right temperature to cause the biomass to char, but at the same time not provide so much oxygen that the biomass burns down completely to produce ash.  In our oven and retort model, the biomass to be charred is enclosed in barrels and it never comes in contact with oxygen.  We therefore keep all the airholes fully open, so that the biomass surrounding the barrels burns intensely to pyrolyse the biomass inside the barrels.  Our entrepreneurs unfortunately followed the advice of the traditional charcoal burners in their villages and contrary to our advice, closed all the air vents, resulting in a very slow burn of the biomass surrounding the barrels. This not only increased the batch time but also in producing biomass which was just roasted and not charred.
Most of them were totally discouraged, firstly because of low output and also because of its poor quality.  The correct process had to be demonstrated again at each site. We thought that we had developed a fooproof process, but it turned out that we were the fools believing that the villagers would easily be able to produce char using our technology. Our technology, if correctly employed, would yield about 50 kg char per 8 hour shift.
The char is sold in the form of briquettes. We started out with the extrusion process to convert the char into cylindrical briquettes. But in the field, there are problems with electric supply (either too low voltage or no electricity at all).  So, during my stay at Phaltan we took the decision to provide the entrepreneurs with molds to produce the so called honeycomb briquettes manually. These briquettes look like mud pies, they weigh 100 grams each and each briquette has a set of 13 holes. So when it is ignited, the pot is hit by 13 flames. I myself produced these briquettes at the rate of one per minute.  Thus by using our mold, a person can produce 50 kg dry briquettes per day.  If the entire family works on this process, they can earn Rs. 250 per day (US$ 5), which is more than what an average industrial worker earns in a city. 
We have developed a stove-and-cooker system for using the char briquettes most rationally.  Through using a very scientific design, we achieve 70% efficiency with our stove-and-cooker. Just 100 grams of briquettes can cook rice, beans and vegetables for a family of family.  We tested various prototypes and have now given orders to a stainless steel pots manufacturer to mass produce this cooker.  We expect to get the first batch of cookers in about a fortnight and then see how we can market them.  We shall sell them very cheaply (at practically no profit), because the user of a cooker is the potential buyer of the briquettes.
Yours
Dr.A.D.Karve, President,
Appropriate Rural Technology Institute
Pune, India.