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Stoves Archive for November 2002
126 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:32:03 2002

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Char briquettes and fasces



Dear Ron, Nandu and all:
 
Your honeycomb briquettes sound great.  I believe they use coal briquettes quite similar in China and I have a few in my lab I can't figure out how to use. 
 
Your cheaper than char starch brings up a question:  How far can you increase starch content before it begins to smoke. 
 
It is said that plants with a starchy root burn very clean.  Is there anything about the pyrolysis of starch that gives less smoke than conventional ligno-cellulosic biomass? 
 
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We have had quite a discussion here about coppicing and pollarding (cop/pol) tree species.  I would appreciate a list from Nandu of the types of trees that can produce wands on an annual basis for fuel.
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On the $0.10 dime of the U.S. there is a picture of a "Fascia", a bundle of wands used as a torch and symbol of authority in Roman times.

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The FASCES was a cylindrical bundle of elm or birch rods bound together by red bands, from which an ax head projected; and which was borne by Lictors (attendants and body guards) before a Consul or high Magistrate, as a symbol of their authority. 
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Looking farther on the web, I found that BIRCH was a favored material for fasces and I presume that will be on Nandu's list. 
If CopPol is to be used to generate fuels, we need to know how to use them and it seems to me that the Rocket stove approach is ideal for using small long straight sticks tied in a bundle.  Air can pass in between the individual rods for burning and they can be quite long and uniform. 
 
COMMENTS?
 
Tom Reed                 BEF STOVEWORKS
 
 
Dr. Thomas B. Reed
1810 Smith Rd., Go
lden, CO 80401
tombreed@attbi.com; 303 278 0558 Phone/Fax
----- Original Message -----
From: A.D. Karve
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kilns

Dear Ron,
we have two types of extruded briquettes. One set has a diameter of about 19 to 20 mm and the other has a diameter of about 12 to 13 mm.  However, because of the problematic electrical supply in the rural areas, we have now opted for the honeycomb briquettes, which are made manually, using a mold.  The honeycomb briquettes have a diameter of about 12 cm and height of about 3 cm.  Each briquette has 13 vertical holes. Paul Hait wanted to know if we are using the thermal array type of arrangement of briquettes in our stove.  The answer is "no", because with a single honeycomb briquette, no arrangement is possible.  When we were using the cylindrical (extruded) briquettes, be just weighed 100 grams of them and put a single layer of briquettes spread evenly on the grate of the stove.
We use grain starch as binder.  The flour fallen on the floor of a flour mill is swept and sold by the mill operator at a price of Rs. 2 per kg (Rs.50 per US$). The cost of the char is Rs. 3 per kg. Because the flour is not costlier than the char, there is no restriction on the quantity of the flour. We boil about 400 g of flower in 1.5 litres of water and mix it thoroughly with 1 kg char to make a dough.  This dough is filled into the briquette mold and the briquettes are dried in the sun.
Our stove is a commercially available charcoal burning stove, made of mild steel sheets. The stove is 11 cm tall. The cooker consists of a stainless steel container, about 21 cm tall and 18 cm wide, closed with a lid, which is not too tight. The gaps between the container and the lid allow steam to escape. Inside the cooker, three cook pots are stacked one on top of the other, so that three things (rice, beans and vegetables) can be cooked simultaneously. The cooker sits on the stove with a gap of about 12 mm between the burning briquette and the bottom of the cooker pot.  The cooker and the stove are together enclosed in a vertical stainless steel sleeve, about 29 cm tall and 19 cm wide.  There is thus a gap of about 5 mm between the cooker and the sleeve, through which the flue gases pass. The top 4 cm of the cooker are not covered by the sleeve, because the cooker is provided with two small handles that are attached to the sides of the cooker at this height.These handles allow the cooker pot to be lifted out of the sleeve.
The efficiency was tested by the usual water boiling test.  The housewives who used the cooker were also astonished by the fuel economy of this stove.  Using a traditional wood burning cookstove, a housewife would have to use 3 kg wood to cook the three items mentioned above.
We have no means of controlling the air flow. We may be able to increase or reduce the power output of the stove by using more or less of the fuel.
Yours A.D.Karve
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Larson <ronallarson@qwest.net>
To: A.D. Karve <adkarve@pn2.vsnl.net.in>; THodson@aol.com <THodson@aol.com>
Cc: Paul S. Anderson <psanders@ilstu.edu>; stoves@crest.org <stoves@crest.org>
Date: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Kilns

A.D
 
1.    Thanks for sending this interesting story on.   Not a permanent problem - hopefully, just a new point to add to your educational program.  Old ideas die hard.
 
 
2.  What are the dimensions and weight of your briquettes?  (Number making up 100 g?)
 
3.  You probably said this earlier - but what is your recommended binder formula?
 
4.  You have described your new stove previously, but I think it needs a repeat - as 70% is just fantastic.  Congratulations!!  
 
5.  I do not recall anyone claiming this high an efficiency value.  I believe you have incorporated what we might call a "convection-enhancing-sleeve" which is probably key to this high value   What is the gap width and height you have chosen in the model now in production?  What is the method of measurement?
 
6. Do you have any means of controlling air flow and power level of this stove design? 
 
 
7. It is becoming more clear all the time that the Ashden award people made a wise choice.
 
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: A.D. Karve [mailto:adkarve@pn2.vsnl.net.in]
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:20 AM
To: THodson@aol.com
Cc: Paul S. Anderson; stoves@crest.org
Subject: Re: Kilns

Dear Tom and Paul,
I spent the last four days at Phaltan, looking at the charring kilns installed by ARTI at various sites.  The operators in most cases are unemployed rural youth.  After demonstrating the process to them on our own kiln they were provided with a kiln of their own, and they were asked to char sugarcane leaves in their own villages.  In all the cases, they had unofficial advisers, who had already made charcoal using the traditional kilns.  In the traditional process, the biomass to be charred is loaded into a kiln and ignited.  One has to regulate the air supply very judiciously in order to have the right temperature to cause the biomass to char, but at the same time not provide so much oxygen that the biomass burns down completely to produce ash.  In our oven and retort model, the biomass to be charred is enclosed in barrels and it never comes in contact with oxygen.  We therefore keep all the airholes fully open, so that the biomass surrounding the barrels burns intensely to pyrolyse the biomass inside the barrels.  Our entrepreneurs unfortunately followed the advice of the traditional charcoal burners in their villages and contrary to our advice, closed all the air vents, resulting in a very slow burn of the biomass surrounding the barrels. This not only increased the batch time but also in producing biomass which was just roasted and not charred.
Most of them were totally discouraged, firstly because of low output and also because of its poor quality.  The correct process had to be demonstrated again at each site. We thought that we had developed a fooproof process, but it turned out that we were the fools believing that the villagers would easily be able to produce char using our technology. Our technology, if correctly employed, would yield about 50 kg char per 8 hour shift.
The char is sold in the form of briquettes. We started out with the extrusion process to convert the char into cylindrical briquettes. But in the field, there are problems with electric supply (either too low voltage or no electricity at all).  So, during my stay at Phaltan we took the decision to provide the entrepreneurs with molds to produce the so called honeycomb briquettes manually. These briquettes look like mud pies, they weigh 100 grams each and each briquette has a set of 13 holes. So when it is ignited, the pot is hit by 13 flames. I myself produced these briquettes at the rate of one per minute.  Thus by using our mold, a person can produce 50 kg dry briquettes per day.  If the entire family works on this process, they can earn Rs. 250 per day (US$ 5), which is more than what an average industrial worker earns in a city. 
We have developed a stove-and-cooker system for using the char briquettes most rationally.  Through using a very scientific design, we achieve 70% efficiency with our stove-and-cooker. Just 100 grams of briquettes can cook rice, beans and vegetables for a family of family.  We tested various prototypes and have now given orders to a stainless steel pots manufacturer to mass produce this cooker.  We expect to get the first batch of cookers in about a fortnight and then see how we can market them.  We shall sell them very cheaply (at practically no profit), because the user of a cooker is the potential buyer of the briquettes.
Yours
Dr.A.D.Karve, President,
Appropriate Rural Technology Institute
Pune, India.

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    • Re: Kilns
      • From: "A.D. Karve" <adkarve@pn2.vsnl.net.in>