RE: strawbale-digest V2 #1770

["Ellis, Karen A." <karen.ellis@alcoa.com>]

Karen Ellis
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strawbale-digest       Friday, January 5 2001       Volume 02 : Number 1770



Messages in this digest:
 Hypertufa (was sb shower,soap dish&shelf unit)
 window bucks
 window bucks
 Re: Hypertufa (was sb shower,soap dish&shelf unit)
 Re: window bucks

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:05:10 -0500
From: Robert W Tom <archilogic@juno.com>
Subject: Hypertufa (was sb shower,soap dish&shelf unit)

Charmaine mentioned "Tufastone" mixes in regards to the query
that the StrawBoss had for her soap dish.

One day while I was killing time waiting for my number to be called 
at the  Lee Valley Tools store in Ottawa,  I was looking through a 
gardening book that they had on the shelves and it described some 
recipes for "Hypertufa"  not unlike the material which Charmaine 
talks about.

It is apparently used by gardeners to make weather-resistant objects 
(planters, sculptures etc) 

In any case, a couple of recipes were provided which might 
complement the recipes that Charmaine mentioned:

HYPERTUFA RECIPES
==================

3 parts Portland cement
3 parts peat
3 parts Perlite
+ handful of fibreglass 

(the above "parts" are 5 US gallon buckets)

////////  or  /////////////

1 part coarse sharp sand
1 part cement
1 part sifted peat moss

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A question for the limeys:

I wonder if a lime + clay mixture might be 
substitued for the Portland cement  in 
some applications (since real Tufa is 
calcium carbonate) ?

=====
ModeratelyTufaGuy
                 ===    *     ===
Robert  W. Tom          Kanata, Ontario, Canada       
Rob_Tom@ErehwonDesignGroup.intranets.com 

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:49:00 -0700
From: Matt Federoff <mfederoff@vail.k12.az.us>
Subject: window bucks

>We floated 2x8 window bucks per book in the first structure and it was a
>hassle.

I did that as well, and it was a SERIOUS hassle, particularly with larger
windows. I would most certainly tie my window frames into the house frame
if I built again.

Peace,
Matt

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:27:23 +0800
From: gary dorn <garydorn@eepo.com.au>
Subject: window bucks

I have tried a number of ways of installing windows frames, including
a.    2 x 6 floating bucks
b.    2 x 4 posts at door and window locations
c.    2 x 6 frame bolted to the footing/slab aka door frame

Lately I have stuck with making the windows buck the same as for 
doors - bolted the the slab/footing. This make sit much easier to 
plumb an square the window, but uses more timber and has a point 
where water can penetrate into the lower bales.

The floating buck is the simplest and least wood version, but is much 
more difficult to get square & plumb.

Another option is to hang a floating buck off the top plate.

Gary Dorn
Permaculture architect
<gary.dorn@eepo.com.au>
Perth, Western Australia, Australia
my credentials
straw bale buildings since 1993 ( about 25 designs , 10 are built , 
6 under construction)
Lime plasters since 1995
registered architect since 1998
an amateur since 1998
Didgeridoo player since 1991
mac user since 1998
inspired by the beauty of the land since 1975 ( I was 5)

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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:00:46 -0800
From: Charmaine R Taylor <tms@northcoast.com>
Subject: Re: Hypertufa (was sb shower,soap dish&shelf unit)

A question for the limeys:

I wonder if a lime + clay mixture might be
substitued for the Portland cement  in
some applications (since real Tufa is
calcium carbonate) ?


Yes Rob, this is exactly what I did, and I like the results MUCH better
than the cement..but different strokes..and all, etc.   Hypertufa is the
English name for this stuff. big since the 30's, now all the rage in the
stone books. ( CGreen just sent me two new ones, one has the reipe in
it. but innovative folks can use the recipe I, or Rob gave, and do it
straighaway.

there is lots of free info on the web, just search.

Charmaine  Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
PO Box 6985, Eureka CA 95502
707-441-1632
www.dirtcheapbuilder.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:50:42 -0600
From: strawboss94@juno.com
Subject: Re: window bucks

This is where "we'll do it different next time".
We did end up hanging our window bucks (plywood boxes backed and
reinforced by 2x4) from the top plate as the Gary described.  Still was
hard to keep square though.
  
The way we'll do next time is make the window/door bucks full wall height
(securing to foundation AND roofplate).  Stuffing over either when buck
is less than wall height but won't take a full bale IS  difficult and a
hassle, not to mention does not support the roof plate/roof load so sag
may be a problem.  Full height bucks make it SOOOO easy to change out a
window or door or remove a window to make a door when adding on.  Use
beneath window this way to make window seat/storage box.  Overhead make a
book shelf or storage compartment.

strawboss

 <garydorn@eepo.com.au> writes:
> I have tried a number of ways of installing windows frames, including
> a.    2 x 6 floating bucks
> b.    2 x 4 posts at door and window locations
> c.    2 x 6 frame bolted to the footing/slab aka door frame
> 
>
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