RE: SB: RE: Kyoto

[Valle Kincaid <vkincaid@TreanorArchitects.com>]

in response.....

can you name any other countries that have emission control laws for our
cars, clean air acts, mandatory ground water clean up, etc?

the usa IS leading by example.  we just started WAY too late, after all the
other countries in the world started following in our (bad) footsteps.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard_Zieba@gov.nt.ca [mailto:Richard_Zieba@gov.nt.ca]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:22 PM
To: cruizer@nctimes.net; strawbale@crest.org;
vkincaid@TreanorArchitects.com
Subject: RE: SB: RE: Kyoto


I have been following this thread and I was determined not to make a 
comment, but I now have to make a few points:

1) North Americans account for 20% of the world's population, but we 
consume 80% of the world's resources, which means we are therefore 
responsible not only for our own pollution, but also for the pollution 
created by industrial activities in other countries which is required 
to meet our enormous consumer appetites
2) as the richest contintent, we should lead by example, that is, we 
should be leading in reduction of pollutants
3) the U.S. seems particularly reluctant to accept any boundaries on 
its activities despite consequences for world peace and environmental 
integrity; examples of this include the refusal to ratify the UN small 
arms resolution, and the UN resolution placing limits on germ warfare! 
4)industrial development in other countries, particularly third world 
countries, is necessary to improve the standard of living in those 
countries; North America, particularly the U.S., appears rather 
hypocritical in its insistence in refusing to mitigate the effects of 
industrial processes which produce our wealth, and denying other 
countries time to reduce industrial pollution as they attempt to catch 
up to us in terms of productivity.

Richard, from the Northwest Territories, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: cruizer /unix [mailto:cruizer@nctimes.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 12:40 PM
To: vkincaid /unix; strawbale /unix
Cc: cruizer /unix
Subject: Re: SB: RE: Kyoto


cruizer:
Hello all.........Maybe I shouldn't have started this discussion!!!!!!  
Anyway, if you have every been anywhere outside US you will see the 
most 
awful pollution.  Try Czech Republic.  Take a look at Bangkok.  How 
about 
Mexico City?  China?  Can't wait to see what they have to do to clean 
up 
for Olympics.  We can't pretend that we from US are the bad guys.  That 
is very antiquated thinking.  Bush is correct.  Why should we bear all 
the burden?  
Nancy


>uh, have you seen the skies over places like Cairo, Egypt?  They have 
Los
>Angeles beat hands down for air pollution. There are other polluters 
in the
>world besides us.
>
>I think that making America bear the majority of the burden is 
ridiculous.
>Thtas basically what the treaty says, "its all America's fault so they 
must
>fix it."  that's why Mr. Shrub hasn't signed it. It isn't fairly 
written.  
>
>just my two cents.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ruth harding [mailto:rharding@sfu.ca]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:02 PM
>To: strawbale@crest.org
>Subject: SB: Kyoto
>
>
>Because America is one of the biggest polluters in the western world.  
When 
>you include the off-shore companies in the southern and eastern 
>hemisphere...well...they are way up there.
>
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