SB: RE: Re: More cement, cars, buildings, and stuff

[Valle Kincaid <vkincaid@TreanorArchitects.com>]

amen!!

until we ALL learn to love, trust and take care of each other as family
members on this planet (which i don't see happening any time soon)  the
communal everything idea is not going to work.  

its great in theory though.  
it would be great if we could all trust one 
another to care for communal property as well 
as we would take care of our personal property...
but even then, i've seen the way some people 
take care of their stuff and it isn't nearly 
to the same degree that i take care of my stuff.  

i'll keep my own house with my own laundry facilities, thank you




-----Original Message-----
From: Chita Jing [mailto:edfan@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:48 PM
To: strawbale@crest.org
Subject: SB: Re: More cement, cars, buildings, and stuff




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Piepkorn" <duckchow@greenbuilder.com>

>  > And why on earth do we duplicate all the support systems?
>  > If we share a laundry facility, all of us can immediately
>  > delete one room and some expensive equipment from our
>  > houses. If we share a library, or a dance space, PRESTO!
>  > Our houses shrink with no loss (in fact a gain) of comforts.

    What I hear being asked is: why do so many adults want NOT to share such
things as laundries, cars, bathrooms, libraries, etc.?" The answers are so
astonishingly easy to determine by looking at our own observable daily
lives, it's hard to take this question seriously.  It sounds like an
indictment of humans behaving humanly. Why not ask why we don't all want to
live in dormitories, with surefire televised security of the halls? How
about no private ownership of any gizmo that would allow you to run away
from your block captain's call for volunteers to paint the communal fences?

    Y'know, we do have such institutions. We call them Level Three prisons.

    I myself lost a favorite robe to a public laundry thief. I've never
forgotten it. It's been years and I still miss that robe. Nor have I
forgotten once having to wash out a dryer that someone before me had used as
an ashtray.

    I don't enjoy letting my (literal) dirty laundry rotate in public, an
annoyance at least, then on top of that indignity be forced to sit and watch
it go round and round. There would be room in my life for using a central
laundromat staffed to help machines do my laundry while I  was grocery
shopping - except that the best local laundry sits in the same shopping
center as a grocery store with high prices, purple meat and vegetables that
could be used as aggregate in the concrete piers of a new Coliseum -- plus
the laundry whosits want $8 a load to throw the stuff into a washer with
dried detergent bits falling in. They pour bleach in until everything feels
like shredded wheat. Many adults are not thrilled to drive out again after a
day's work anyway.


    Do tell - do you guys do your own laundry or what? I find it hard to
understand how this specific question came up.

    Similar topics could probably be held up against a window facing
sunlight and examined the same way.

     I buy a lot of books because it is more convenient than going to the
particular library branch that promised they'd get it Real Soon Now. Plus I
don't like weasels shopping for my car stereo while I'm inside looking up
"Homeowners Associations, Dream or Nightmare?"

    I bought a big ass Ford F250 because I needed to haul 5,000 pounds of
ceramic tile in two days and there was no way it was safe to do that in my
Volvo 1800E. I anticipated needing to haul more building materials around as
time went on.

    It might not be hubris that makes some people buy SUVs, it might be a
self-defense strategy they came to when they heard that in SUV-car
collisions, 85% of the fatalities were in the lighter weight car.

    People do a lot of things for a lot of complicated reasons. If we must
wait for the perfection of human character before we get better housing --
we're gonna wait a long time, aren't we?






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