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Strawbale Archive for March 2002
489 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:42:47 2002

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Re: SB: Re: SB and a Better Mouse Trap



Straw lovers,
I guess i'm a bit skeptical of these charts.  I don't see a uniform scientific approach used to reach the conclusions.  It seems like we are relying on a lot of differrent industries' information accumulated to make a chart that looks at one aspect of the picture.  I tend to take any big industries' stats with a grain of salt.  And embodied energy is only a portion of the environmental footprint we make.  (I understand, John, that you are not stating any definitives, just relaying this chart for informational purposes.)

I would like to add that there are a lot of issues to look at when thinking about lessening our impact, embodied energy is just one of them.

If one is building small, doing our best to use local materials, keeping our on-site energy use to a minimum, etc. i would be more concerned about toxins than embodied energy for many of the materials used.  The homes Howard and i have helped build have all been lime and earthen plasters since we learned about them in 1996, and partly that is due to embodied energy in concrete, but to just look at embodied energy one could draw conclusions that PVC might be a better material to use than say copper for water pipes.  Heavy metals are pretty bad for our health but they aren't carcinogens.

green dreams,
katey

John Kingsley wrote:

Hi All,

Huff 'n' Puff Constructions wrote:
[snip]
> How sustainable is recycling steel?

While everyone is firing up their flame-throwers....

...I thought I'd just add some data to to pot ...

Here is the embodied energy for a few materials (MJ/kg):
  Steel virgin: 32.0
  Steel recycled: 10.1
  Portland cement: 7.8
  Concrete, ready mix (30 MPa = 4300 PSI): 1.3
  Adobe, cement stablized: 0.42
  Adobe, bitumen stablized: 0.29
  Straw, baled: 0.24

I got this is from:

http://www.arch.vuw.ac.nz/cbpr/embodied_energy/files/ee-coefficients.pdf

Yes, I know this isn't the whole story with respect to
the environment and producing/recycling steel.

And no, ... I'm not going to draw any conclusions from
this data...
 


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Katey Culver
newtribe@directvinternet.com
www.ecoarchitech.net