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Strawbale Archive for April 2002
195 messages, last added Tue Nov 26 17:42:55 2002

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Re: SB: SB Questions



Title: Re: SB: SB Questions
Sorry for the delay in replying to this thread...

5)  For the stucco, I know masonry sand would be best as it is clean and sharp, and I will buy it if it is necessary, but I have access to lots of "beach" sand.  I'm trying to keep costs down... aren't we all?  I assume beach sand would mean there would some clay in it, right?  It's soft and smooth and there's no big rocks in it.  What effect would this have on the stucco mix if I used it?

Beach sand is probably not a particularly good idea if it's a saltwater beach.  Salt and cement don't mix very well - you'll find your cement starting to crumble apart in 6 or 8 years (sometimes more, sometimes less).  It makes for great job security among the masonry trades in seaside resort towns, but it's not something that's recommended for structural integrity.

*Washed* beach sand is a slightly different animal.  But as you noted, masonry sand is clean *and sharp*, ie the grains are pointy instead of rounded.  My understanding (and I'm that someone more experienced and/or more vocal than I will correct me if I'm wrong) is that sharp sand in cement makes for a stronger structural bond than round sand.

 6)  On the list I read about some guy having some possible mold problems on his "earthen" floor or something.  His floor was made with, I don't know, gravel and fines, and chopped straw, and ..........  why the heck would anyone want to make a house floor out of that?

There have been a couple of short answers to this one, but I don't think that anyone has taken the time to really tell you why.

Basically, it's the same idea as a rammed earth wall.  Compacted earth can result in a very nice finish if done well (some I've seen look and feel like smooth leather), and is superior to a poured concrete slab in a number of respects:

*less embodied energy - (it takes a lot of burning fuel to heat limestone to manufacture portland cement, truck it to your site, etc - Earth on the other hand is usually already there and doesn't need to be heated - just compacted.

*an earthen floor is more resilient than a concrete slab.  It's easier on your feet and legs. And it feels "warmer".

* If you make a horrible mistake, it's easier to take up and rebuild.  No jackhammers needed. Similarly, if you want to take a break in the middle of doing it, you don't have to worry about it setting up and having a cold joint.  Just wet the edge and go back to work an hour, day, week, month later.

* If the plumbing underneath it gets a leak (as just happened to a neighbor of mine with a concrete slab), you don't have to concrete saw/jackhammer up the whole thing and re-pour. Chances are that you'll be able to remove a small portion where the problem is, then re-lay it to match.

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Bill Christensen
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